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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:48:10 GMT
I am going to start a thread on demons, see you around. I can't believe LIT told us not to advertise this forum on those two huge Facebook flat earth lists. I guess he cares more about content than visits... but visits bring members and members bring content. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 19:06:13 GMT
Yeah, I thought about it, and, given that we've been talking about freedom of speech, it seems to me that you made an important point. Such laws seem to go against freedom of speech. I hope @jess won't take offense. Maybe she even agrees on this point. Jess, what do you think... that such laws are... maybe against freedom of speech but nonetheless necessary to protect minorities? If I had to make a prediction, I would expect you to feel that way. If you go in this direction, we could also argue that all minorities who have been persecuted in the past deserve such a law. I am not an expert on these laws at all, but I am just trying to be logical here. I would need to know what these laws mean and if they also would make sense to protect blacks, natives, and other minorities persecuted in the past. Then one could say: why aren't these other minorities as protected as the Jews? And also, were they as persecuted as the Jews? Then the debate goes back to the Holocaust, because to measure the extent of the persecution, we have to establish if it happened or not. It would be a long debate, but I wanted to write some thoughts on it, making sure that I neither avoided zero11s's topic nor offended any of the members (and readers). --- Speaking of freedom of speech, in the meanwhile, at IFERS: ifers.boards.net/post/2403/threadOkay, I am just going to throw this out there. The one fool proof tactic we have encountered when it comes to shills is that they will literally refuse to address the Holocaust/Holohoax and keep on changing the subject. Our opinion is simple: it never happened. What's yours? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 20:33:39 GMT
What did I tell you, gioknows, two days ago? To invite UNreal to join us, "once he will be banned", because he was likely to be banned soon and I was pretty correct in my assessment of the situation, given that he was not agreeing with them on 911. It happened 24 hours later: ifers.boards.net/post/2392/threadhello Admin, • i seem to have been banned from this forum, which i find sad, especially if it is a decision that has been made consciously. • we all like to live in a free and open society, and even more-so when we set out to uncover truth, the control-structure we live under and it's hidden agenda. • to proceed to any sort of judgement and/or exclusion without taking the time to openly inform or discuss on the matter at hand seems against the values true research would embrace. diverging opinions is expected when individuals strive to establish their world view. i fully admit i'm often mistaken. when debate is engaged in an open, polite and explicit manner this can actually have the merit to contribute to developing a wider understanding of any subject at hand. these were/are my principles for participating and subscribing to this forum, as it has/is the case for the other forms i follow or discuss on. • wish you luck with your website and would like to thank the members i had the pleasure to debate and converse with. • UNreal Wow, this is a gentleman, and definitely has a lot of self-control and style. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 21:08:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 2:01:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 15:57:41 GMT
There's a little bit of offensive thoughts for everyone here, a thread he specifically created to advertise our forum: ifers.boards.net/post/2460/threadWe should thank him for advertising this forum. I was wondering where all these hits were coming from. My "sucking up" (cf. his post) is simply being nice to people, plus some extra "sucking up" due to the admiration I had for him. I am glad that I have been accused already of sucking up to everyone (Mark Sargent, Jews, and regular members). Other people call it "being nice to people". But not someone who's proud of being ruthless. Then other times he's also "nice" to people. So probably he considers it "being ruthless to shills", but as I suggested on IFERS before, you must always allow the possibility that you're not talking to a "shill", and so adapt your tone accordingly. And even apologize at the end of every post you write, and say "these are my doubts about your message, but I am sorry for suspecting you in case I am wrong". He doesn't do it. That doesn't make much sense. There's no need to be so ruthless. He could have warned us not to say things we were saying. He could have told us: stop saying/posting these things, or I will ban you. But he's shy. So he builds up resentment, and explodes all at once, and overdoes it. That's fine. I can understand it. But then at least learn to apologize. Or don't expect that people whom you hurt will not be upset and offended. Another major mistake, that he will have to address and correct is this: 1) either create a forum entitled "my fan club", "my political party", and then ban people who disagree, and no one will be surprised 2) create a forum entitled IFERS and let people respectfully disagree 3) don't create a forum No matter how much success he will have, and even if we disappear, we will still be people who were offended and treated unfairly by him. Your number of fans cannot make you right, and, viceversa, your unpopularity cannot make you wrong. You will be right and wrong, depending on what you will say, regardless of how popular you will be. And you were wrong for how you treated us. And definitely remove "Peace" from the end of your posts. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 2, 2015 16:22:14 GMT
There's a little bit of offensive thoughts for everyone here, a thread he specifically created to advertise our forum: ifers.boards.net/post/2460/threadWe should thank him for advertising this forum. I was wondering where all these hits were coming from. man this is gold, pure gold!  I´m so excited by lizardking funny considering that we are strongly decimated |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:21:29 GMT
Well they are now starting to discuss us and name us by name over on IFERS. They are very sensitive to the fact that we came over here to avoid Eric's antichrist views, and they seem a little too sensitive to the accusation that some of the accounts seem to be sock accounts over there. At any rate, Matt Boylan now seems to be communicating with Mark Sargent, so it will be interesting to see if Eric will declare him a "shill". Everybody is a "shill" but Eric, of course.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:35:38 GMT
Of course we will not make the same mistake we are blaming him for. He threw us away and labelled us as "shills", because he did not like a small part of what we think. But we will not throw him away just because he hurt us so badly or because he is making some mistakes. He may still be the most genuine flat earther there is. He may still be the one who did the most for the cause. But he behaved very unfairly to us, former well-meaning fans who helped him. Let us not repeat the lynching that he did to us.
Let us separate what he does that is wrong, from what he does that is good. Let us encourage his good behaviors, and discourage his bad behaviors. Let us condemn the bad behavior, without condemning the person as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:37:48 GMT
He certainly did give us free advertising by allowing any mention of us at all.
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Post by benny on Apr 2, 2015 18:35:11 GMT
Hey guys, good to see y'all here!
Honestly, I had a bad feeling about IFERS right from the start. Slowly I began to realize that IFERS was recreated for the sole purpose of idol (Eric) worshiping, and to promote his hateful agendas.
All the people who are waking up and discovering that the earth is flat, are channeled into hate, racism, fear, and into creating more divisions in our already torn apart modern society. Which basically plays right into the NWO's master plan.
In my opinion, the earth's shape is just another smoke screen meant to keep our minds occupied in irrelevant things (true or false, doesn't matter), instead of discovering the true meaning of everything that is going on in our made up lie of a life.
I find it amusing that I was labeled as a shill, in trying to spread a message of love and values, while the leader of the 'enlightened flat earth movement' is promoting hate, distrust, and self glorification coupled with endless amounts of ass licking, leading a herd of people to only follow his way, and obey his holy scriptures and mantras, which he continuously copy+pastes and drills it deep into his disciples' minds.
Anyways, good to have an open minded platform where we can express ourselves freely!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 18:49:01 GMT
Hey guys, good to see y'all here! Honestly, I had a bad feeling about IFERS right from the start. Slowly I began to realize that IFERS was recreated for the sole purpose of idol (Eric) worshiping, and to promote his hateful agendas. All the people who are waking up and discovering that the earth is flat, are channeled into hate, racism, fear, and into creating more divisions in our already torn apart modern society. Which basically plays right into the NWO's master plan. In my opinion, the earth's shape is just another smoke screen meant to keep our minds occupied in irrelevant things (true or false, doesn't matter), instead of discovering the true meaning of everything that is going on in our made up lie of a life. I find it amusing that I was labeled as a shill, in trying to spread a message of love and values, while the leader of the 'enlightened flat earth movement' is promoting hate, distrust, and self glorification coupled with endless amounts of ass licking, leading a herd of people to only follow his way, and obey his holy scriptures and mantras, which he continuously copy+pastes and drills it deep into his disciples' minds. Anyways, good to have an open minded platform where we can express ourselves freely! Benny Very well said, Benny! We are glad that you are here. I do agree that he is using the flat earth as a way to bring people to some very hateful and even bizarre statements on other unrelated issues. |
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Post by benny on Apr 2, 2015 19:01:40 GMT
The shape of the earth is irrelevant, along with any other conspiracy and and religions.
It's all meant to keep us occupied in non-existent non-sense instead of focusing on the real important stuff (our life, existence, purpose), so THEY are able to control us more easily.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 19:04:34 GMT
Hello, benny, thanks for joining us. Finally you found us. I was looking for ways to get in touch with you, but could not find any way. Now the early forum members are all back together. I even heard from matthew1917, whom I invited to join us. Now we can start interacting peacefully, debating and reasoning, with mutual acceptance. The fact that we all met here is a miracle. We don't even mean any revenge other than showing IFERS how things should be done. We know little about flat earth, but we may know more than them about discussing things on a forum. |
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Post by benny on Apr 2, 2015 19:15:35 GMT
Thanks @jess & flat earth truth! I don't know if I'll participate a lot in regards to flat earth tho, since I don't really think it matters anymore.. Even if the earth is flat, we are still living in a huge lie bubble. My new goal is to try to burst my own bubble and learn the real secret behind everything, and learn how to apply it in my own existance. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 2, 2015 19:33:57 GMT
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Post by benny on Apr 2, 2015 19:39:12 GMT
Controlled opposition. Need I say more? lizardking said to thinkforyourself: LOL |
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Post by LIT on Apr 2, 2015 20:57:50 GMT
Hello, benny, thanks for joining us. Finally you found us. I was looking for ways to get in touch with you, but could not find any way. Now the early forum members are all back together. I even heard from matthew1917, whom I invited to join us. Now we can start interacting peacefully, debating and reasoning, with mutual acceptance. The fact that we all met here is a miracle. We don't even mean any revenge other than showing IFERS how things should be done. We know little about flat earth, but we may know more than them about discussing things on a forum. Acenci, don't forget the forum's original name is serendipitous   |
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Post by LIT on Apr 2, 2015 21:04:36 GMT
I am a bit confused?! Did Eric start his forum only to ban everyone and remain there alone? I have a great idea for IFERS! Eric, why don't you make it completely restricted? That way no one would be able to see what you guys are discussing there! It would be very nice and private. No shills, no visitors  Real paradise. I am sure you would like this idea. You're welcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 21:05:19 GMT
Their message board is turning into an NWO-type police state. How ironic. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 3, 2015 5:57:01 GMT
lol now I was banned from the Forum not even being registered
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Post by LIT on Apr 3, 2015 6:18:55 GMT
lol now I was banned from the Forum not even being registered Check out what Eric said:  Basically, he wants the traffic, but doesn't want people to be allowed to discuss?!? What does he need the traffic for? Is calling everyone a shill some sort of advertising trick? So, his goal is to attract attention to himself and he doesn't care if anyone would participate as long as the forum gets a lot of traffic. The idea is to turn the forum into a money-making machine like the books he writes. At least that is what I get from his comment. If he thinks everyone is a shill why not make the forum private?  Lizardking, apparently you cannot recognize sarcasm either. |
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Post by songbird on Apr 3, 2015 9:27:39 GMT
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Post by zero11s on Apr 3, 2015 10:51:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:11:18 GMT
Yes, they are insane. Now they think Cesar is a shill? That guy puts together nice videos in general, he communicates openly with jhenningkellogia and Matt Boylan, he's alright. They literally think everyone is a shill. I'm now going to say that Eric is the shill, in reality. Nobody has done more damage to the flat earth research recently, than Eric. His insane and paranoid behavior turns off people in large numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:20:51 GMT
Yes, he has offended us all, but if we had to choose one reliable source, just one, who would we choose? Probably we would choose him. So let us remember to separate his behavior and poor interpersonal skills from his research and promotion of the truth. Otherwise we would be unable to explain why we appreciated him before he banned us.
We praise his work, we condemn his behavior with us (and others). Also, he just did us a great favor by banning lots of people along with us, so we don't feel as offended. And maybe, deep inside, subconsciously, it is his way of apologizing to us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:23:44 GMT
Yes, he has offended us all, but if we had to choose one reliable source, just one, who would we choose? Probably we would choose him. So let us remember to separate his behavior and poor interpersonal skills from his research and promotion of the truth. Otherwise we would be unable to explain why we appreciated him before he banned us. We praise his work, we condemn his behavior with us (and others). Also, he just did us a great favor by banning lots of people along with us, so we don't feel as offended. And maybe, deep inside, subconsciously, it is his way of apologizing to us. I love ya, acenci. But I wouldn't choose Eric as that one reliable source. I wouldn't. He has discredited himself in my eyes. His extreme paranoid behavior mixed with delusions of grandeur, combined with his being so far way off on tons of other non-flat-earth topics, means that I don't trust him with anything. If I had to choose only one reliable source, at this point I would choose jhenningkellogia. But of course, we don't have to choose just one source. I can skim from several sources, and seek the truth. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:40:14 GMT
That's it, we're even. At least in one moment of our history we had more guests:  Now we can start focusing on just debating peacefully and allowing everyone here to express their opinions, no matter how different from ours, as long as we all respect each other. As far as the damage they're doing to themselves, this is one point in their favor. They believe in their ideas so much that they are willing to sacrifice their popularity. I feel we no longer have a reason to be resentful. He has been as intolerant and unfair to others, as he has been to us. Let us forgive him. It is just a matter of having a bad temper, and poor interpersonal skills. Let us slowly try to rename this forum from "we were hurt by Eric and we are resentful" to "we want to debate freely and respectfully about flat earth and other conspiracy theories". Sorry for preaching again. I just said what was on my mind. Think however you prefer. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:51:52 GMT
It's not going to be that easy. As Eric continues to go on the warpath against everyone that isn't in perfect Groupthink with him, more people will come here, and they will want a place where they can vent their offense against Eric. He's earning this by his behavior. We will have to let people speak about this. He's doing damage to the flat earth research, and people are going to want the freedom to be able to say that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:56:58 GMT
Yes, that is a great idea and I hope all banned people will join this forum and say all their opinions (respectfully and freely), but let us also remember that what bothered us when we were banned was the feeling of them all ganging up on us and accusing us. We don't want to make others feel the same way, even if it is the very people who have done it to us.
Let us try to rationally analyze the problem of intolerance, and paranoia, rather than ganging up on those who display that behavior. Especially let's try not to attack them personally, and separate the bad behaviors from the person as a whole. Let's make sure to always point out the qualities, too.
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I´m so excited
Real paradise. I am sure you would like this idea. You're welcome. 
