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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 15:13:58 GMT
could he be a shill - isn´t he noticing that IFERS is lost? I don´t get it! What is that guy doing there? Maybe it is Eric himself  haha I actually began thinking that, about "lizardking". That user showed up out of nowhere, had about four posts on the board, and within 12 hours of his showing up, all of us were banned. So I thought, maybe Eric was fed up with everybody not licking his boots on every topic he discussed, and created a "new user" to treat us like garbage on those other issues and see what we would do about it. When we hit back, he tossed us. I'm not saying that is what really happened, but it sure was suspicious. I agreed with Eric 100% on all things he said on the flat earth. Everything he said about flat earth, I agreed with him. Wasn't that the point of the message board, the flat earth? But it was a different issue, that had nothing to do with the flat earth, not even remotely connected, that he tossed me over. Which is fine. He's got problems, so it's best I'm away from that environment. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 15:14:24 GMT
could he be a shill - isn´t he noticing that IFERS is lost? I don´t get it! What is that guy doing there? Maybe it is Eric himself haha Acenci just entertained that Idea and there it hit me because if he is crazy he could do anything. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 15:55:41 GMT
A Source just gave me some Intel  Ah ah, check this out, hilarious. He is writing his own messages as a Guest: ifers.boards.net/post/2377/thread He is not paying attention and signing his "guest" messages with "peace" and then clicking "like" on them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 15:59:39 GMT
Wait... you did not quote me correctly. Here was my original message: Ah ah, check this out, hilarious. He is writing his own messages as a Guest: ifers.boards.net/post/2377/threadI've been following this subject for a while now which I never thought possible. I see Eric as clearly very knowledgeable and passionate about a subject that couldn't be bigger in terms of the impact on this earth. I can understand the fury and anger in light of the implications. Not that I'm anyone to anyone here, but an interested observer (and firm believer of the flat earth), the recent exchanges I've read above, don't make comfortable reading. Understandable, but not good. Anyway, to end on a positive note, every day I research, the more I'm convinced. Im presently researching antartica explorations and all they ever seemed to hit was a wall of ice, from HMS Challenger to Cook etc. Thank you Eric for your excellent work. Peace. He is not paying attention and signing his "guest" messages with "peace" and then clicking "like" on them. I'll try to stop looking at that forum, because I am still too resentful. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 16:01:07 GMT
Now you are speaking up?
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 16:14:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:25:14 GMT
Don't forget the "Eric is brilliant, his articles exceptional, his work undaunted" speak that is going on now 24/7. It's no longer about the flat earth. It's about Eric. And it always was. Ego, and selling books, and making a name for himself.
It does appear that many of the posts are Eric on sock accounts or "guests".
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 16:26:19 GMT
yea I wondered too about the newcomer wave after we were banned
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:29:46 GMT
yea I wondered to about the newcomer wave after we were banned Yes, and they all had the exact same set of opinions and ire for anyone that disagreed on anything. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 16:43:13 GMT
Hello, Lion, this is funny. I had the same exact reaction to you, as zero11s had to me. He was banned, and when he saw that I did not leave, he blocked me on Facebook. Then I was banned, too, and he unblocked me. When I was banned, you kept staying there, and seemed to be convinced that I was a shill. So I immediately blocked you on Facebook. Then you were banned, too, and I was going to unblock you and invite you to come here, but zero11s was faster than me. They have a very grotesque situation going on in there. I just read the thread where you got into that argument, after which you left: ifers.boards.net/post/2215/threadAnd you're sure to be banned. Ciao! I can't believe they are destroying the forum in such a way... I never had thought to imagine that this would develop into such a story. Man what a Ride! Alexander Wagandt is spot on with his daily energies. They need to put more and more Energy into their artificial construct that they are calling "the world" to keep the power structures of enslavement going. The examples that he uses from the Mainstream Media are really good and the only News that I consume. I can´t stand the TV or Radio talkers. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:46:30 GMT
Look at that "lizardking" post saying, "you're sure to be banned". How can they know that? At that point, they had just a few posts on the board, and had just registered there.
That lends to my theory that Eric is impersonating some of these "users".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:58:14 GMT
Yeah, I see your points.... however I must admit that I had a private (heated) conversation with lizardking and she seemed a different person to me. But their aggression towards us was very similar to Eric's way of attacking me on that Mark Sargent's thread just a few hours later. So they're at least exchanging a lot of private messages between each other, and they were saying those things, at the very least, because he had made them understand that he was OK with it.
And, besides, all of this aggression without any warnings, such as "stop posting Mark Sargent's interviews" or "stop doing so and so". But that's part of how he is: he builds up resentment and then he explodes all at once.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:02:38 GMT
Anyone can sound any way they choose on the internet. How did lizardking go from no posts and having just registered, to knowing everything about the board and all of us in a matter of about seven posts in the duration of about 20 minutes? Lizardking didn't claim to be an anonymous reader. Even if it isn't Eric, he obviously supports that person. This will sound like I'm going too far, but maybe the reason that Eric sees everybody as a "shill and an enemy of the flat earth research", is because Eric is the true enemy of flat earth research. He might give you some true information about certain things in the flat earth, but then he will lead you to antichrist-based viewpoints on a host of other things. Attack me for saying this if you must. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 17:08:57 GMT
Anyone can sound any way they choose on the internet. How did lizardking go from no posts and having just registered, to knowing everything about the board and all of us in a matter of about seven posts in the duration of about 20 minutes? Lizardking didn't claim to be an anonymous reader. Even if it isn't Eric, he obviously supports that person. This will sound like I'm going too far, but maybe the reason that Eric sees everybody as a "shill and an enemy of the flat earth research", is because Eric is the true enemy of flat earth research. He might give you some true information about certain things in the flat earth, but then he will lead you to antichrist-based viewpoints on a host of other things. Attack me for saying this if you must. Right Sargent and others are probably already doing damage control. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:09:44 GMT
Yeah, but our opinions on him right now are very heavily influenced by how he treated us. Let us not forget what we thought before he kicked us out. I thought that he had done a great job, all by himself, and risking his life, and that he wasn't even getting the credit he deserved, and Mark Sargent had done less of a good job (but he's great at making documentaries, or at least, he has a great voice), but he's getting many more interviews...
...all in all, I will argue you, as you predicted. He's still the best flat earth truther, BUT he should be ashamed for how he treated us.
But, if you hypothesize also, as we do, that he's living in a difficult situation, which makes him lose his emotional balance and objectivity, then everything is explained.
Regarding his team work with the other 2 aggressive users, it is definitely suspicious, and, whoever they are, he's basically destroying his own forum. Those two members, whoever they are, are basically forcing everyone to agree with them. They are much more aggressive than I was, when I attacked the "trolls" and "shills", and I admit that I also exaggerated.
But, coming from where they come, I understand them.
And if it was just him, then he probably felt he was losing control of the forum to us "shill", and he felt we had hijacked his own forum, and wanted to take it back, but did not know how to do it, because he hadn't managed to convince us. So maybe, just maybe, he created those two users, or asked them to be tougher.
Basically, even among flat earthers, his religious opinions and "zionist" theories are minority, so much, that he will always lose control of the forum... until he will stop allowing discussing those topics on it.
He just made one big mistake:
1) either he should have called it "Eric's friends".
2) or IFERS, but then he should have excluded those topics where his views are minority views.
I don't think his forum will work out until he solves this contradiction. I think he will eventually close it or change the name. Or not allow discussions other than on flat earth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:16:41 GMT
Yeah, but our opinions on him right now are very heavily influenced by how he treated us. Let us not forget what we thought before he kicked us out. I thought that he had done a great job, all by himself, and risking his life, and that he wasn't even getting the credit he deserved, and Mark Sargent had done less of a good job (but he's great at making documentaries, or at least, he has a great voice), but he's getting many more interviews... ...all in all, I will argue you, as you predicted. He's still the best flat earth truther, BUT he should be ashamed for how he treated us. But, if you hypothesize also, as we do, that he's living in a difficult situation, which makes him lose his emotional balance and objectivity, then everything is explained. Regarding his team work with the other 2 aggressive users, it is definitely suspicious, and, whoever they are, he's basically destroying his own forum. Those two members, whoever they are, are basically forcing everyone to agree with them. They are much more aggressive than I was, when I attacked the "trolls" and "shills", and I admit that I also exaggerated. But, coming from where they come, I understand them. And if it was just him, then he probably felt he was losing control of the forum to us "shill", and he felt we had hijacked his own forum, and wanted to take it back, but did not know how to do it, because he hadn't managed to convince us. So maybe, just maybe, he created those two users, or asked them to be tougher. All of that is possible. But it all also reflects on what Eric is. He should just stick with the website where he alone is the speaker. Because, if you open a message board, then people are going to talk. Why else have it, if they won't allow people to talk? Nothing that any of us said, was ban-worthy. We were fully on board with the flat earth side of things. If he wanted to keep control of the board, he should have just kept the flat earth as the only topic, and deleted all other topics. In reality, he is so far off on most other topics, it now makes me wonder how much of the flat earth material he might be wrong about, as well. He's working against his own (supposed) purpose. Unless he really is also a shill, and then he's doing a marvelous job with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:21:07 GMT
I edited it and wrote much more on it, in fact similar to what you just wrote.
Yes, I agree with you. He should either found a political party and act like he is acting, or keep quiet about these subjects. You can't create an IFERS forum and... not just spread but even ENFORCE those other beliefs he has. Clearly it was a miscalculation.
Yeah, I still would absolutely exclude that he is a shill. He supports controversial and inconvenient beliefs such as historical revisionism. I don't know any shills who do that. On top of it, his theories about Jesus: even non-Christians would support them so openly.
Just my opinion, sorry for preaching like I hold the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:22:31 GMT
I edited it and wrote much more on it, in fact similar to what you just wrote. Yes, I agree with you. He should either found a political party and act like he is acting, or keep quiet about these subjects. You can't create an IFERS forum and... not just spread but even ENFORCE those other beliefs he has. Clearly it was a miscalculation. Yeah, I still would absolutely exclude that he is a shill. He supports controversial and inconvenient beliefs such as historical revisionism. I don't know any shills who do that. Explain what you mean by "historical revisionism". I know what the term means, but what I'm asking it, what do you mean by it in reference to Eric? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:25:57 GMT
It is a respectful term for defining a person who does not believe that the Holocaust happened. If I said "holocaust denier" it would not be a neutral term, but a derogatory one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:28:18 GMT
It is a respectful term for defining a person who does not believe that the Holocaust happened. If I said "holocaust denier" it would not be a neutral term, but a derogatory one. Well that was what I thought you meant. It is possible to "revise history" on anything, which is why I wanted to see what you were referring to in regards to Eric. I believe the holocaust happened. And really, this and the entire Jewish issue is what that board is about, even more than the flat earth. At any rate, from a Bible standpoint, the Jews are the victims in the future, not the perpetrators. So Eric is very wrong on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:32:29 GMT
Yeah, my point is that we should be ready to welcome historical revisionists here, too, as long as they believe in it and they are respectful.
Indeed, what good does it do to convince someone who already agrees with you? And, furthermore, if they are being respectful, why should we not listen to their beliefs?
And even more: if they make friends with Jews, and find out how nice they are (or any other religions), wouldn't that be instrumental in making them lose some of the prejudices that might have caused them to have that belief? And viceversa of course.
We don't want to create a forum that is like IFERS, except it implements the exact opposite views and bans people for their respectfully expressed beliefs.
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 17:34:29 GMT
And even more: if they make friends with Jews, and find out how nice they are (or any other religions), wouldn't that be instrumental in making them lose some of the prejudices that might have caused them to have that belief? And viceversa of course. Thats not the issue, the law is the issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:36:08 GMT
I know nothing about the law. Tell me about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:36:41 GMT
Yeah, my point is that we should be ready to welcome historical revisionists here, too, as long as they believe in it and they are respectful. Indeed, what good does it do to convince someone who already agrees with you? And, furthermore, if they are being respectful, why should we not listen to their beliefs? And even more: if they make friends with Jews, and find out how nice they are (or any other religions), wouldn't that be instrumental in making them lose some of the prejudices that might have caused them to have that belief? And viceversa of course. We don't want to create a forum that is like IFERS, except it implements the exact opposite views and bans people for their respectfully expressed beliefs. I never said people shouldn't post if they have a contrary opinion on that issue. Remember over at IFERS, a person like me is outnumbered about 20 to 1. No exaggeration. It was me stating that I didn't agree on that issue, that got me kicked out. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 17:37:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:38:52 GMT
I know, that was why I was on your side. But here it might be the opposite, so I feel like we should be ready to welcome at least a few historical revisionists, and not make them feel outnumbers by Christians and pro-Israel members.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:40:09 GMT
Yeah, there you go. That's what I was talking about. We have a peaceful member who holds an opinion that is probably different from yours, @jess. Are we ready to welcome him and listen to him, without getting angry? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:41:47 GMT
Me and zero11s are good old friends. At least as far back as a few weeks ago when we all joined IFERS. We have no troubles with each other at all. Speaking of IFERS, if you watch it, the post frequency is way down. Not much to talk about when everybody is in lock step on views (or sock puppets). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:43:51 GMT
Yeah. I am very surprised that we have as many hits as IFERS had in the first week. And also that right now they only have 5 times as many visits as we do. I mean, we are only 8 users and they are 200 users.
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 17:44:14 GMT
The old IFERS board had the same feeling as Socionics International "warm and fuzzy" because of the userbase.
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