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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 19:31:46 GMT
Resuming from here (since he banned me, after I helped him with his forum for one whole month): ifers.boards.net/post/1986/threadOk... finally a place all to myself (feel free to post in it), because the administator said I can have freedom of speech and even write off-topic things, such as a conspiracy theorist's journal, I suppose. But feel free to delete this thread if you find it not relevant to the forum's subject, not serious enough, or inappropriate for any other reason. I am going to start where I left off here, shortly before being banned: ifers.boards.net/thread/75/journal?page=8I am about to go to bed, so let us start the music, a song that talks about a small town going to sleep, very poetic: I am certainly grateful to the Administrator at the other forum for not removing all my 500 posts after banning me. That way I can go back and copy some content or read what I wrote. I think I understand him a little bit. I don't think he thought I was a shill. I think he has a temper problem and, like a child, cannot accept people disagreeing with him. I understand him because I am probably like him in many aspects, although of course I wasn't the administrator so I kept my ego at bay. But, had I been a leader of a movement, I would have been hypersensitive to disagreement and turned into a dictator, too. The typical "power trip" as they say. So... I am not even mad anymore, because I am very similar to him. Initially I was livid with anger. All that advertising and efforts and then banned and labelled a "shill". But you know what helped me? That he banned another 3 people along with me. And you know why he did it? To make me feel better. In Italy we say "mal comune mezzo gaudio", which perhaps is equivalent to "a trouble shared is a trouble halved". And he made me share it with 3 other people, so it is only 25%. Wow, excellent. Ilse Werner, the best in my opinion, from that period. I would have done the same. After realizing he had made a mistake by losing his temper, he tried to correct his mistake by putting me in a group with other banned people, so to make me feel less humiliated. It works. And you know why his temper exploded against me? I understand this, too. He put up with me for an entire month of saying that maybe Mark Sargent is not a shill. For a month I kept posting his interviews, because we have to listen to them, whether he is a shill or not. But it bothered him. I am sorry it bothered him, but I had to do it for the sake of studying his interviews, which is what the thread was about. So it bothered him, espelly the last one. But he said nothing for a month and exploded all at once. He could have very easily written me a message saying to stop posting interviews, but he is shy basically. Shy and polite. But it still bothered him. I understand him. I'm like that, too. That's the problem with those who are so polite and shy. We do not warn people when we're getting fed up. Well, actually I am not shy when I write, but just in person. Maybe that's the only problem he has. Oh, and he also has a little bit of a temper, as I said, and a temper for an unknown truther like me would not be relevant. Not that I have one, because I am more diplomatic. But for a leader like him (even a forum with 200 users makes you leader) a problem like this gets amplified. Anyway, I understand him. And, while I was initially very offended and he certainly acted like Robespierre during the Reign of Terror or Stalin during the Great Purge, I have almost completely forgiven him, because I am forgiving myself by doing so. This little event of being banned after working for a month for a cause, and to help a leader, whom I admired and who ended up accusing of being a "shill", made me understand history better, and how many politins and revolutionaries end up dying because of being betrayed (think of Hitler and Ernst Röhm, or Stalin and Trotsky) or how they end up killing their former comrades. Something which I have sometimes wondered about. Now I understand it, because it happened to me, on a smaller scale because we are on the web. I have also noticed the sidekicks inciting the leader to be tough. Which in fact was exactly what I was doing until that moment against the trolls and shills, who seemed to be harassing us and the leader. They applied that same exact rule to me, because with my ideas of not attacking the Jews and not attacking Mark Sargent, I was harassing the forum -- at least that is what they thought. Now of course the forum is in the hands of people who have a different concept of "peace", a word which is always at the end of the leader's posts. My concept of peace was to not exclude anyone, who is disagreeing but willing to talk respectfully, and try to convince them, but also allow them to try and convince me. Their concept is now closer to this: let us ban everyone who disagrees with the leader, even those who do it very respectfully.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 18:15:26 GMT
Oh, well, another day is over. I keep on going back to the old board, to make myself feel better by seeing how they're banning and antagonizing more and more users: ifers.boards.net/post/2287/threadI know about the underground levels, I also know that the percentage of the Towers that would've been left STANDING there after a controlled demolition would be as much as a third of the building in height. They would quickly fill up the basement levels so that theory does not work. You keep on ignoring my point that controlled demolition on its own would have flooded that whole area of New York. I'm suspicious of the fact that you are ignoring all of my points about Tesla, and what he discovered. I have to admit that this person above is absolutely fair: she suspects and attacks anyone who doesn't agree with her (not just me). The same applies to that member with the George Harrison avatar. They behave much the way I was doing with those I perceived to be shills: anyone who antagonized the administrator or did nothing but ask questions on their first post. I still believe in that principle, and I understand their psychology, because, for various reasons, they are under attack. The difference between us is that I considered shills / trolls only those harassing us, whereas they consider shills anyone who doesn't completely agree with them on everything. They are aggressive, because that forum is indeed under attack, and they are not just being paranoid. They are under attack because: 1) they are better in promoting flat earth, than the other two TFES forums 2) they blame them for not doing a good job, and blame almost everyone who does not do a good job (whether shill or not) 3) the administrator is not a diplomatic person and hurts the feelings of many well-meaning innocent people (like me) 4) the forum members are becoming more and more aggressive (e.g. lizard and george harrison), making unnecessary enemies: I won't go there as a new user to bother them, but many others who were unfairly banned will probably do so So you see, it is partly a vicious circle, because they attack others who don't deserve to be attacked. They have a gift for making unnecessary enemies. Now let's try stop thinking about them. I must also stop hoping that the old board loses all its members, feeling vengeful and resentful. The more they keep attacking and banning others, the better I feel, and the less resentful I am. Anyway, let us post my daily video:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 18:29:42 GMT
This song is by Peter Igelhoff, and, although I like better the version by the Comedian Harmonists, I have to post his, because theirs isn't on youtube. But you can hear it here: archive.org/download/ComedianHarmonists-41-50/ComedianHarmonists-IchFreuMichSo1937.mp3Their full page is here: archive.org/details/ComedianHarmonists-41-50Peter Igelhoff singing his own song: But there's also a version by de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Weber_(Komponist)Let's double-check the lyrics from the usual source: www.lyricsmania.com/ich_freu_mich_so_lyrics_comedian_harmonists.htmlIch freue mich so, ich freue mich so, ich bin so glücklich und so froh und weiß nicht mal warum, und weiß nicht mal warum! Es singt in mir, es klingt in mir und was ich tu, gelingt bei mir - und weiß nicht mal warum, und weiß nicht mal warum! Die Leute, die sagen: "Wer Glück hat, ist dumm!", die sollen mal nicht fragen: "Wieso, weshalb, warum?" Ich freue mich so, ich freue mich so, ich bin so glücklich und so froh und weiß nicht mal warum, und weiß nicht mal warum! Oft hab' ich kein Geld - wer kennt das nicht auf dieser Welt? Doch ganz unbesorgt, es kommt schon wer, der mir was borgt. Ich kann die Leute nicht verstehen die durch die schwarze Brille sehen. Ich freue mich so, ich freue mich so, ich bin so glücklich und so froh und weiß nicht mal warum, und weiß nicht mal warum! Es singt in mir, es klingt in mir und was ich tu, gelingt bei mir - und weiß nicht mal warum, und weiß nicht mal warum! Die Leute, die sagen: "Wer Glück hat, ist dumm!", die sollen mal nicht fragen: "Wieso, weshalb, warum?" Ich freue mich so, ich freue mich so, ich bin so glücklich und so froh und weiß nicht mal warum, und weiß nicht mal warum! Ich freue mich so, ich freue mich so, tarallarallarallarallala. und weiß nicht mal warum! Es singt in mir, es klingt in mir, tarallarallarallarallala. und weiß nicht mal warum! Ha-ha-ha-ha... tarallarallala... Ich freue mich so, ich freue mich so, ich bin so glücklich und so froh und weiß genau warum: Ich bin ja nicht so dumm! Tarallarallala... Wow, they manage to sing a whole lot in just 2 minutes (I am referring to the Comedian Harmonists' version). Now I have to translate it. I am so excited, I am so excited, I am so happy and so glad, and don't even know why, and don't even know why! It sings in me, it sounds in me, and I manage to do what I do - and don't even know why, and don't even know why! Those people, who say: "who is happy is stupid!", should not ask: "Why, why, why?" I am so excited, I am so excited, I am so happy and so glad, and don't even know why, and don't even know why! Often I have no money - Who in the world doesn't know the feeling? But I am not worried, soon there's someone who lends it to me. I can't understand the people who see things through dark glasses. ... I am so excited, I am so excited, I am so happy and so glad, and I know exactly why: I am certainly not so stupid! It was hard, and maybe wrong, to translate "Wer Glück hat" because everywhere they say it means "If you're lucky", but in this song it wouldn't make any sense. Besides, it's from the 1930s, so maybe it had a slightly different meaning, and even today Glück also means happiness.
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Post by songbird on Apr 2, 2015 11:21:43 GMT
Great song -thanks for posting. Just listening to iit makes you feel happy. Die Leute, die sagen "wer Glück hat ist dumm." I think this is referring to people like the protaganist in the fairytale " Hans im Glück". blog.zeit.de/kinderzeit/2013/01/10/marchen-zum-vorlesen-10-hans-im-gluck_13339Do you know it? It's about a man who starts off quite wealthy, but keeps on exchanging items and getting a less valuable item in return. but this doesn't faze him and he keeps his good humour. he never gets resentful ( I guess he is a Forrest Gump-like character) and stays happy and content despite his "misfortune". There is a difference between " Glück haben" and " glücklich sein" - "be lucky/fortunate" and " be happy", but there is also an overlapping quality with a delicious ambiguity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 13:04:12 GMT
I am glad you liked it. I will post more in the future.
Thanks for the link. So, considering the story of Hans im Glück, could we translate that phrase as "who is carefree is a fool"? We have an interesting term in Italian, "giocondo", that adds a negative connotation to "carefree". I could not find an equivalent term in English.
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Post by songbird on Apr 2, 2015 14:05:28 GMT
In English one could talk about "careless pleasure", I suppose. Hans im Glück has been treated to many different interpretations ranging from the spiritual( a return to the mother goddess) to the moral ( a dangerous hedonist) to the marxist ( down with property). de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_im_Gl%C3%BCckIt is a meme in modern German culture and the name of a fantastic restaurant where you can eat amazing hamburgers in a fairy-tale surround and listen to the tale of Hans in the lavatory:-) schlump.hansimglueck-burgergrill.de/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 14:19:06 GMT
Right... eating hamburgers in Hamburg. So, how did you come across this forum? My Facebook post, or zero11s told you? Because he's from Germany.
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Post by songbird on Apr 2, 2015 14:25:16 GMT
I found you via Fakeologist and Unreal. I am an avid listener to the podcasts and am finding the current discussion about the shape of the Earth fascinating. I don't have any special expertise scientifically to solve the issue but at any rate am enjoying researching it. It is a hard subject to broach with friends as there are so few people who can even see that events like 9/11 and Sandy Hook were staged. I am just looking forward to a free and lively discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 14:29:31 GMT
Yes, we will certainly have that, since that is our objective, to freely and respectfully debate and reason together. We were taught a very good lesson regarding free speech at the previous forum, from which we were banned and accused of being "shills". I also have learned to not throw the accusation around so easily. As you might have read, I have been suspecting fakeologist himself of being a government agent for a ton of posts at IFERS. I was especially critical of his list of shills: shills.fakeologist.com. Then for some reason, he still advertised this forum. I am quite amazed. I cannot explain it.
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Post by songbird on Apr 2, 2015 14:42:59 GMT
Fakeologist is very fair-minded. He is extremely reluctant to throw the term "shill" around as it is basically a time waster. Of course there will be people who disagree with one's views and some of them might be paid shills- who knows! I can only say that after posting on and listening to his site almiost since its inception I am convinved his intentions are honourable. There are hours and hours of audio on the site and I believe that you can tell by sustained listening to the voices and unscripted exchanges of the participants that the active contributors are genuine. lLsten to some of the past broadcasts and also KHam radio on the same site to get a feel for things. there are lots of really curious people over there and anything can be discussed. PS Another reason I joined here was the music videos you posted. it feels to me like you are very genuine too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 14:50:06 GMT
Yes, "time waster"... I found out. I agree on everything regarding "shills". "Trolls" is easier though to detect. And they can be easily detected and banned. I hope we can all still agree on that.
Yeah, thanks... I am very genuine. I've been training all my life to be genuine, ever since they failed me at school for not memorizing their notions, after which I decided that, since I had no reputation, I'd be myself. If you don't have a reputation to worry about, it is much easier to be sincere.
Hey, tell me something... what about JFK? I did not study this in detail, but how can he say that he was an actor and that his assassination was staged? Please tell me a couple of reasons why this hypothesis could be plausible.
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Post by songbird on Apr 2, 2015 15:52:13 GMT
I am no expert in the JFK research and have no particular interest in it,. Nonetheless I will attempt to answer from memory. Why should we believe it ever took place? Simply because they showed it on T,V,? 1 The Zapruder footage is known to have major issues with perspective and cuts. For years people have been analysing it, going round in circles and coming up with endless, convoluted theories. it has acted like a big fly trap or Strange Attractor. The hoaxers always like to build in several blind alleys into their creations to stop people from stepping back and asking the only question that matters - did any of this really happen in reality? 2 I wasn't at Dealy Plaza on the day the event occured so all I can rely on is footage and "eye-witnesses" aka actors - much like the 9/11 event. So why should I believe anything if they have lied to me before on such a massive scale as the 9/11 hoax? Give me two good reasons to believe it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 16:15:04 GMT
Hmm, thanks for the time you took to address my questions. We could drag this on forever, but since we have done enough reasoning for today, I will try to shorten the potentially endless debate, by just citing some thoughts that I had on my mind, when thinking about the JFK assassination alleged fakery. I asked myself: what about all the murdered witnesses? Are those fake, too? Then how do I even know what my name is, and what is the point of using my senses?
The reason I am saying I asked myself those questions and not that I am asking you the questions is that otherwise this would seem like a challenge, that someone has to "win" and that could go on forever.
Let's postpone it for when there will be more members, because that way we can share the burden with others, and increase our combined reasoning potential.
We want to learn to have peaceful conversations, and disagreeing at the end, without feeling the urge to convince or belittle anyone.
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Post by songbird on Apr 2, 2015 16:41:12 GMT
Yes - I agree. I have no interest in winning argumenta. i am just curious to get as close to the truth as possible. I realise there is a danger in being overly sceptical and in my "real" life I am not. My son even got me with an April Fool's trick yesterday:-) But I have learnt to be critical of anything that is delivered to me by the media. It was and still is a very disconcerting feeling. I am willing to be persuaded on any topic if the arguments hold water and I often find myself going this way and that on subjects like convex versus concave versus flat earth. There is even an expanding earth theory that makes some very good points! One thing that attracts me to this debate is the potential to use my natural observational skills ( I have even bought myself a new pair of binoculars) to test different theories. I find it very intellectually stimulating to muse on these issues and tons more interesting than what most people discuss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 16:50:40 GMT
Speaking of binoculars, in the future we'll have a great discussion on the "curvature formula" thread, because I am convinced that observation of the horizon matched with that formula alone proves flat earth: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/11/curvature-formulaI also have a collection of videos that prove it (mostly ships and lighthouses). But let's postpone it. We can't do everything in one day. Also, I am just a beginner on flat earth, so as everyone else here (on flat earth), so the only thing we can offer is an open mind, mutual respect, logic, curiosity and interesting links. I am particularly good at watching YouTube videos, and categorizing them in specific folders.
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Post by songbird on Apr 2, 2015 16:57:43 GMT
Here's one from left field about the expanding earth theory.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:20:00 GMT
If that is a theory you would like us to consider, you could create a thread on it and post the video in it. Maybe Flat Earth sub-forum would be a good section for it, but it's up to you whichever you like better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 0:37:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 1:21:50 GMT
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Post by efrohi on Apr 5, 2015 13:49:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 21:26:00 GMT
This triumphant video would be more appropriate for IFERS, whose hits are going through the roof, above 1000 per day. Thanks to all our work in the first month. Yet we are not there to celebrate, because we were banned.
Our explosion has not come yet, and in fact we went from the 300 visits of yesterday to the less than 200 today. I am a little worried about the risk of extinction, although the quality of our users is higher.
But we need to quickly reach a number of 50 members, in order to avoid a risk of extinction.
Our principles are great, and our people are great. But good principles do not always win... look at what is happening on IFERS, where betrayal of people has been rewarded in terms of hits. And look at the people in power for a further confirmation of this: JFK died, and his assassin Bush went on to become a US president.
This weekend I met an old friend from school. I ended up paying for all the restaurant meals, because we had a third friend, who's also in Rome, and he's a freeloader, so I could not split the bill, and this guy came from Switzerland, so I could not make him pay for both the freeloader and me, and I ended up paying for everything every time. At any rate, being busy with them, I could neither read, nor watch what other users posted here. I managed to reply in some threads at risk of being forgotten or left without replies (that's the most dangerous thing, because users will get offended and abandon the forum).
I don't even know if I should go to IFERS and see how they're doing, because I might start getting depressed about it. Also tfes.org is not doing that great. They didn't follow my advice of competing on contents rather than on ads. They seem to believe in what they do, but their content and passion for the subject could get much better.
The only competition that IFERS has is from us, because tfes.org has potentially many visitors, but they disappoint them, as they disappointed me. Let alone that other place, theflatearthsociety.org, where flat earthers are made fun on.
IFERS offers serious but intolerant discussions. TFES.org offers tolerant but non-serious discussions. We are trying to offer serious tolerant discussions, because that is our motivation for creating this forum, given that we left TFES because it wasn't serious, and we were banned from IFERS because it wasn't tolerant (nor respectful of its own well-meaning fans).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 0:40:54 GMT
IFERS is helping in the NWO. Therefore IFERS doesn't offer anything that can be used, when you factor in the deep pig slop that is there. They take you down the roads of falsehoods on so many topics. They are helping the NWO with many of the positions they hold. So I would expect them to appear "victorious" and "rewarded with many hits". The NWO will appear to "win" in the future, until Jesus Christ returns and crushes it, the true Jesus Christ that IFERS rejects.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 13:05:57 GMT
Ein Freund, ein guter Freund, das ist das Schönste was es gibt auf der Welt. Ein Freund bleibt immer Freund, und wenn die ganze Welt zusammenfällt. Drum sei auch nicht betrübt, wenn dein Schatz dich nicht mehr liebt. Ein Freund, ein guter Freund, das ist der größte Schatz, den's gibt.
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Post by matt on Apr 7, 2015 14:27:31 GMT
This weekend I met an old friend from school. I ended up paying for all the restaurant meals, because we had a third friend, who's also in Rome, and he's a freeloader, so I could not split the bill, and this guy came from Switzerland, so I could not make him pay for both the freeloader and me, and I ended up paying for everything every time. At any rate, being busy with them, I could neither read, nor watch what other users posted here. I managed to reply in some threads at risk of being forgotten or left without replies (that's the most dangerous thing, because users will get offended and abandon the forum). I don't even know if I should go to IFERS and see how they're doing, because I might start getting depressed about it. Also tfes.org is not doing that great. They didn't follow my advice of competing on contents rather than on ads. They seem to believe in what they do, but their content and passion for the subject could get much better. The only competition that IFERS has is from us, because tfes.org has potentially many visitors, but they disappoint them, as they disappointed me. Let alone that other place, theflatearthsociety.org, where flat earthers are made fun on. IFERS offers serious but intolerant discussions. TFES.org offers tolerant but non-serious discussions. We are trying to offer serious tolerant discussions, because that is our motivation for creating this forum, given that we left TFES because it wasn't serious, and we were banned from IFERS because it wasn't tolerant (nor respectful of its own well-meaning fans). Beautiful video - thank you! I think the atmosphere at the other place is not helpful for real learning or expressing questions about serious holes in the theory (at least as it is being told now). I am happy to see here people are asking real questions and posting their insights. The truth will win out and no one should be afraid of finding it or desiring to find it. Just because some people out there seem to be experts, they are not. They just have, perhaps, what seems to be more information. But I have found that the information they have is not all accurate either. I have done my own virtual experiments and come up with some results that conflict with what I was told about proofs for the Flat Earth. Some proofs are reasonable, others seem to be flimsy and I don't they should be used to back it up because it makes the whole theory look bad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 20:09:12 GMT
You're welcome. I will post more in the future. Thanks for the feedback.
I am still studying German, whenever I get a chance. It is a long term project, because it is not an easy language to learn for an Italian.
I am going to post a nice video of a German songwriter I came across. Not from the 1930s this time.
I tried translating the lyrics:
Frag mich nicht wo mir der Kopf steht, Do not ask me where my head is, er taumelt, it staggers frag mich nicht worum es sich dreht, Do not ask me about what it turns ich staune, über, I am astonished, about it
und ich warte, and I wait ziehst du mit, ziehst du mit mit mir, go with me und ich warte, and I wait ziehst du mit, ziehst du mit mit mir, go with me ich seh dich immer noch so weit weg von mir, I see you still so far away from me ich frag mich immer noch, worum geht es dir dabei, I wonder still, what are you doing,
Lässt du mich dich halten, wenn du fällst, fällst, Let me hold you if you fall du fällst auf, hör auf, ich hör nicht mehr auf dich, you fall, stop, I won’t listen to you any more ich tausche stolz ein gegen das was mir fehlt und du, I’ll proudly trade one for what I need, and you du hältst mich auf, you stop me
hör auf, ich hör nicht mehr auf dich..., stop it, I won’t listen to you any more
This is a good one, too:
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Post by efrohi on Apr 9, 2015 9:27:32 GMT
"ziehst du mit" means, when you move with me ... ziehen means pull, not go with me. This will be "geh mit mir".
um-ziehen means to move in another house ...
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And "worum geht es dir dabei?" means for what is all about you doing ...
Worum means all about ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 12:35:50 GMT
Thanks for correcting me.
And, could we translate "ich frag mich immer noch, worum geht es dir dabei" with...
1) "I still wonder what you are all about" 2) "I still wonder what you are doing is about" 3) "I still wonder what you are doing" 4) anything else?
By "move with me" do the lyrics mean that he should dance with her or move in the house with her or what precisely?
Oh, and did you know her and did you like her songs?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 12:51:26 GMT
I am quite satisfied that we reached a number of 24 members. I don't feel alone anymore. This helped healing my wounds of being defamed and mistreated as many of us have been at IFERS. I have been noticing a change lately: all traffic is going down. Maybe it is due to Spring Break, or maybe flat earthers are getting tired of these forums, after the initial enthusiasm. The traffic on the two TFES forums was always low, because for whatever reason they seem to discourage traffic (ridiculing flat earthers or joking around as they do). What surprised me is that IFERS's traffic has also decreased. From the 1000 visits (from guests and members) per 24 hour period of a week ago to the 500 visits of the last 24 hours (and it has been like this for a few days). And, also, despite the increasing number of members, we have also been going down, big time. We had reached 300 visits per day a week ago, and now we are down to 100 visits per day (again, from guests and members). I have spoken to LIT about it, and he says that what matters is content. It may be so, I replied, but guests bring members, and members bring content. So we do not want to be in a vicious circle, whereby a lack of people... puts out our weak flame.
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Post by efrohi on Apr 9, 2015 12:55:03 GMT
Ziehst du mit is something like in meaning you can say ... Hmmm ... Like i say come on we Do some dangerous stuff are you with me ... In this term ... (mit-ziehen) mit,with/together,ziehen,move,pull
And the other is wrong ... She is not wondering (wundern) ... She ask herself (fragen/fragt sich)
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Post by efrohi on Apr 9, 2015 13:03:32 GMT
No, i dont know her but here this is nice ...
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