polaris and the rotation of the stars

I am sorry, I want to answer but I haven't done any research on this yet.

I found a couple of good links:
ifers.boards.net/thread/112/star-trails-northern-southern-hemisphere



This is the best I can do. I know this material is all from the same person who banned us and defamed us as "shills", but his research should be separated from his poor interpersonal skills.

You should be afraid. The constellations are upside down. The Moon is upside down. Additionally, the stars in the southern hemisphere rotate around the southern celestial pole.









The flat Earth map doesn't really explain why everywhere below the Equator the Moon is upside down. Look at the flat Earth map again. The equator goes around the North Pole. How exactly can you see the Moon upside down from everywhere below the equator on the flat Earth map?

Look again at the map and the equator line. If the equator is a circle on a flat disc there is no way that the Moon would be seen upside down EVERYWHERE below the equator as on half of the disc it should be seen the same way as in the northern hemisphere even though it is below the equator. This is not the case, so I am wondering why.

Well, I cannot explain it better. I should draw you a picture, but don't have time right now. The equator line is a circle around the North Pole on a flat disc. If the Moon is somewhere above the disc, it can't be seen upside down everywhere below the equator line, because it is a circle in the middle of the disc. Do you understand what I mean? The surface would be flat. That is why I told you to look at the map. You're facing the Moon from the same side on a flat disc if you're to the right of it(as shown in the picture), and it would be upside down if you're to the left of it. Basically, when you're on the right-side of the Moon(figuratively speaking referring to the picture) on the flat disc you would see it in the same way regardless of whether or not you're below or above the equator line. Maybe I should try with countries. In the picture I posted the Moon is above the ocean, however, what is important is that you see it the same way both from Italy and South Africa. When you're on a flat disc, South Africa won't be below, it would be just below the equator line, but the Moon won't be upside down assuming you're observing it as on the shown picture.

Outside of the red circle the Moon is not seen upside down all the time based on that map. I should make a video, I guess. On a flat disc there can't be upside down unless you're literally left or right of the object. On that map there is a moment when half of the disc is on the same side and that includes both Europe and Africa. Logically, at that time you won't see it upside down, but you would see it the same way people see it in Europe, which is not what happens in reality.

Don't imagine the Moon spinning, but try for a second looking at it as static as shown in the picture I posted. At that particular moment you would see the Moon exactly the same way from Europe, Africa and America based on that picture. When it turns it will change and you will see it upside down at a later time, but that is not the point. The point is that you can never see it the same way below the equator as in Europe in real life. Being inside or outside the circle doesn't really matter as long as the Moon is above the other side of the disc one side would always see it the same way.

Acenci, if the equator is a circle around the north pole on a flat disc, and the Moon is anywhere above the disc at any given time the other side of the disc would see its face the same way regardless of whether you're inside or outside the equatorial circle. I am expecting someone to try to debunk this.

I am sorry that I am ignorant on this topic, and that I haven't studied your research. I can only reply based on reading your sentence above. I hope it doesn't come off as superficial, but it's better than not replying at all.

If the moon is a ball, then people would see a different moon depending on where they are on the flat disc, would they not?

This is too complex for me. Sorry for being unable to debate it further with you. I kind of get your points, but not enough to be able to reply. Obviously you know the subject quite in depth.


Unfortunately, on top of not knowing the subject of astronomy, I have to surmount the language barrier (I'm Italian). I don't blame other members (many here are not native speakers) for having problems with this subject. Also, I don't mean to disrespect you, but sometimes your sentences are a bit complex. Maybe you should pretend that you are talking to children. In a sense, we are, because we are new to flat earth.

I was wondering if we could see it this way.  There is a "top" and a "bottom" of the moon and those North of the Equator see the top part on bottom and those South of the Equator see the bottom on bottom.  These are two views from two different sides of the Equator.  I don't know if I'm being clear enough.  It is possible the moon rotates as it moves, no?  Like this:



Perhaps I am also missing what you fellas are trying to say. Let me know if I am off base.

Hi LIT, but what I am trying to show is that if the moon rotates as it moves, yes you will see the same face all over the earth, but on one side of the equator, this face will be right-side up and on the other side of the equator it will be upside-down.  If you see the video, South of the Equator always sees the moon in the same way.  North of the Equator will see it opposite.  I think it still works with reality that way, no?

Ok, but in your picture, you show the moon at the opposite end of the circle.  It would have already set then if we are talking about viewers in South Africa and Turkey. Wouldn't the moon need to be in the bottom-right of your image?

I am not sure how to clarify, but I think the video I posted shows the difference between the views of the North and South.  Perhaps we are thinking of different terms or something, I am not sure.

Ok, here is one more try for me.  I took the model I created the video from and placed a camera in the area of Turkey and also in South Africa.  I positioned the moon so that it would be relatively over both areas on its path (1st image).  The views from each are below the first image.  See how it looks.  Again, I may be completely off!  I think the moon may initially be upside down, but the principle is still there.



Here is the view from the North:



Here is the view from the south.