The Firmament...NO DOME!

Excellent.  Very well done.

So much for some "missiles" trying to break through the "dome", which is what you get from Mark Sargent.

Taking the Bible literally always brings light.

The firmament is the second heaven above the earth's atmosphere, and the waters are above the firmament.

Thank you for the kind words Jess, and Praise the LORD! However, I am only getting started on this. Stopped so I could make a pot of fresh coffee and then there will be more to come between tonight and tomorrow.

So continuing: The Firmament is NOT a Dome. The term "firmament" and its identity has been one of the greatest puzzles concerning the Biblical Creation account, mostly because of its Hebrew definition:

רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah
from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

רָקַע raqa` raw-kah'
a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.

Most people interpret this to mean just the expanse of the sky (the atmosphere), what is above the sky, or both (which it is), but the full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure.

Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles. It is rendered as "firmament" in the KJV. The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament).

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV)

This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "IN" the firmament. Therefore, those waters that are "above the firmament" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. AND as a result the Firmament cannot be a DOME!

And now continuing further and far more importantly: The Third Heaven is above this upper "Sea," and this higher sea is below the Throne of God:

"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." (Revelation 4:6 KJV)

Therefore, this particular "Sea" above the firmament is above the known physical universe. Since the sun, moon and stars are "in" the firmament this Sea MUST be above them. This is difficult for the science of man to fathom, but it is a Scriptural fact on cosmology. It represents a firm and impassable barrier between the world of man (below) and the abode of God (above). Here are some additional verses in the Bible which refer to this particular Sea:

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens." (Psalms 148:4 KJV)

This is the "sea" that John saw in his visions:

"And before the throne [there was] a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind." (Rev 4:6 KJV)

This is a present "sea" of separation that will no longer exist when God destroys the old world and makes all things new after the 1,000-year Kingdom of Heaven and the final judgment that follows:

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." (Revelation 21:1 KJV)

This "sea" is also spoken of in Exodus 20:11, the verse frequently quoted by Young Earth Creationists as a proof text to support their doctrine:

"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:11 KJV)

The reference to "the sea" in the above verse is a reference to the sea established above the firmament, NOT to any sea on the Earth's surface. Look at the English grammar of the verse. The heaven and Earth are set apart as separate and distinct entities and so is "the sea." That sea above the firmament was not made until the second day of Genesis. There is something even more important to notice about these waters above the firmament. Look again at the passage concerning the second day:

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

Something is missing there. Do you remember what was said previously? This work on the second day is the ONLY day in the Genesis narrative where the Lord does NOT say it "was good." Therefore, when you consider the statement the Lord makes in Genesis 1:31 where He says that all that was made was "very good"...

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." (Genesis 1:31 KJV)

...it must be considered so in the context of circumstances. The context is the overall work of Reconstruction from Ruin and the preparation of the Earth and a new world for Man. The term "very good" does not mean "perfect," and the sea of separation placed between the world above and the world below was not good, but necessary. It would not be until the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross that a way would be made for crossing that barrier (the sea, or waters, above the firmament).



That particular "sea" is represented (in type) by this object that was a part of the design of Solomon's Temple known as the "Molten Sea." (See 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2.) If you look at a diagram layout of the Temple you will see that this sea is between the Altar and the main part of the Temple where the Holy Place and Most Holy Place was.



Here in the design of the Temple can be found in schematic form the structure of all things, in type. The Altar where the sacrifices were made represents where the Lamb of God was sacrificed. It represents the world that is below (the Earth & the first and second heavens). The Molten Sea is between those two lower heavens and the "Third Heaven" where the true Temple of God is located.

The Third Heaven

This now gives us a better understanding of what the Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he speaks of a place called the "third heaven": "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven." (2 Cor. 12:2 KJV)

Although the "third heaven" is not directly mentioned in the Genesis narrative, the established structure of all things is defined in Genesis 1 and, when understood, allows us to comprehend exactly where and what Paul was talking about when he mentions the "third heaven" in his letter. It also gives the reader a better understanding of John's vision in Revelation 4. Again, when the Lord God divided the waters He created a boundary which presently exists between the two lower heavens (which constitute the firmament) and the third heaven (where the throne of God is). That boundary is that "Sea," and again that "sea" is above the two lower heavens of the firmament. It is also likened in places to crystal or smooth glass:

"And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above." (Ezekiel 1:22 KJV)

The reason it appears like a smooth, crystal surface is because it is frozen: "The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen." (Job 38:30 KJV), "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness." (Exodus 24:10 KJV)

It is also likened to glass: "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." (Revelation 15:2 KJV)

With this understanding of what exactly the Firmament is and the structure of all things that God made during the seven days, many things that were previously obscure suddenly take on real meaning and enrich our understanding.

In summary, here is the structure of the physical world as it now exists from the face of the Earth upwards:

The lower sea of physical waters (our seas and oceans)
The first heaven (the atmosphere)
The second heaven (outer space)
The sea above outer space and below the third heaven (a sea of separation)
And above it all, there is the Third Heaven.

"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God." (Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV)

The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme throughout the Bible. It is reinforced (in typology) throughout the Bible. For example, it is likened to the floors of a building, which we call "stories" and, sure enough, the same word is even used in the KJV Bible. It is used to describe the design of the heavens: "[It is] he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name." (Amos 9:6 KJV)

This pattern of three (3) "stories" is also found is some other important things in the Bible, an example being the description of the design of Noah's Ark: "A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; [with] lower, second, and third [stories] shalt thou make it." (Genesis 6:16 KJV)

It is also used to describe the construction of the Temple: "The door posts, and the narrow windows, and the galleries round about on their three stories, over against the door, cieled with wood round about, and from the ground up to the windows, and the windows [were] covered;" (Ezekiel 41:16 KJV)

In the construction of Moses' Tabernacle in the wilderness there were three (3) main parts: 1) The outer court, where the brazen altar of sacrifice was. 2) The Holy Place, where the candlestick, table of shewbread, and golden altar of incense were. 3) The Holy of Holies where the Ark of the Covenant was. Also note that between parts two and three was a curtain for a partition, which matches the "sea" above the firmament (in type) in the structure of the Three Heavens. It is no coincidence that all these Biblical things have a similar three-tiered structure. There is much spiritual insight to be gained in further study of those things:

Three Heavens
Three levels inside Noah's Ark
Three floors in a section of the Temple
Three sections to Moses' Tabernacle

Concerning the design of the Temple, keep in mind that Moses' tent Tabernacle and Solomon's Temple both had three (3) main parts:

The outer court
The holy place (where the table, lamp and incense alter was, outside the veil)
The Most Holy Place (where the Ark was, behind the veil)

As you can see, this theme of structure based on threes is consistent throughout the Bible. In the words of Lord Himself there is a world above the one we live in and can observe: "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." (John 8:23 KJV)

Just because we cannot observe or understand something does not disprove its existence. The Firmament is not a DOME! The Earth is NOT under a Dome!!

I am a Young Earth guy as well. Six days. Six regular days...well maybe NOT so "regular"...lol

Well, I think we have the Firmament nailed down now. And just as there is a barrier above the Second Heaven separating it from the Third Heaven, there is a barrier separating the First Heaven from the Second...and it is THIS BARRIER that man cannot ascend higher than.

The Firmament is NOT a Dome. The term "firmament" and its identity has been one of the greatest puzzles concerning the Biblical Creation account, mostly because of its Hebrew definition:

רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah: from 7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

רָקַע raqa` raw-kah': a primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.

Most people interpret this to mean just the expanse of the sky (the atmosphere), what is above the sky, or both (which it is), but the full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure.

Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles. It is rendered as "firmament" in the KJV. The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament).

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV)

This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "IN" the firmament. Therefore, those waters that are "above the firmament" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. AND as a result the Firmament cannot be a DOME!

Jess, think about how WATER can be hard as cement and YET you can swim and move easily in it.

The firmament is both a protection and also the reason why we must have FAITH (can not see what's beyond, with the physical eyes).

As gravity is this Spiritual repelativ force of material objects:

Revelation 20:11 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

For a material creation to exist, there must be a firmament (like a glass in a human lab experiment) in order to keep the chemical elements isolated, and to create (by His will), organized material forms with them... finally creating a material enviroment inside of it (wich simulates the laws of spirtual world such as density orders, the famous as above so below? - ... gas <> liquid <> solid...). An enviroment of course, capable of maintaining creatures, material life forms.

And...

Psalm 97:5 "The mountains melt like wax before the LORD"

- Also to protect the material little fragile things and creatures, from the Giant Radiant Glory of the True Light Source/ Greatest Spirit/ Eternal Creator.

- So with the existance of the firmament, and the incapability of our bodys and eyes (we can't barely even look straight at the sun) to resist the Radiance of the Spiritual Reality.

It's a must for we, the man (in this material body, looking at the external world) to walk by FAITH, when it comes to the Spiritual World. Cause it's "hidden" for us above the firmament.

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Another deeper conclusions...

The spiritual reality is at the same time in the very "outside" and very "Inside" from our minds perspective, or physical sight / thought capability!

In other words: The firmament is at the same time the limit for our cognizing capacity. It is a reflection to our mind's perception internal limit! (It's related to the fact that we can NOT control like 99% of our body functions, it is controled by the Almighty Spirit)

1 Corinthians 2:9

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

No one can tell what is there or how the Heaven is really like.

Our Creator is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent Spirit. So He is at the same time "in", "out","above", "below" everything. 

Conclusion: The earth's outer firmament is our inner cognitiv limit's projection. (limited by the Most High). And there is inimaginable Spiritual reality beyond it.  

Ughhhhhh....

"Lord Steven Christ CIA agent fake Obama threat"

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sorry I confused this with another thread

He may have said that, but here is more on the capacity that he does his job...it's all about spreading hate...cloaked by this concave earth business

THE VERY INSTANT that Steven brings up his "christ" delusion...or that he is sicking the NSA on anyone, or suggesting any member be thrown into a prison camp...or to deny concave earth is to deny god...or to suggest taking his obviously satanic alchemy antichrist "symbol"...then I am going to hit him with a barrage of posts all over this forum showing what he truly represents. Have him stick to his other alchemist buddy Cyrus Teed's theory about the earth being concave and proving it, and it will be peaceful.

IF he dials in the crazy or starts linking and trying to lead people to his page and videos which promote his hate mongering, then I am coming at him in this very forum.

You are going to have to restrain him flat earth truth since you brought him in here.