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Post by LIT on Apr 1, 2015 9:16:06 GMT
What do you guys think? Is Antarctica really the ice wall around the flat disc? Do we really have any evidence for that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 11:46:59 GMT
What do you guys think? Is Antarctica really the ice wall around the flat disc? Do we really have any evidence for that? Anything is ultimately hearsay from some source. Since we cannot go there ourselves. But reading sailor's and explorer's journals from over the last 150 years or so, using those resources, they all agree that something weird is going on with Antarctica. That, they try to "circle" it, and it just seems to go on and on and on. Matt Boylan also said that this is the information he is given. Again, hearsay, but still something to go on. So I am convinced that it is a circle around the flat earth. For these reasons, and also because, I haven't seen any convincing research to make me think otherwise.
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Post by LIT on Apr 1, 2015 12:13:31 GMT
What do you guys think? Is Antarctica really the ice wall around the flat disc? Do we really have any evidence for that? Anything is ultimately hearsay from some source. Since we cannot go there ourselves. But reading sailor's and explorer's journals from over the last 150 years or so, using those resources, they all agree that something weird is going on with Antarctica. That, they try to "circle" it, and it just seems to go on and on and on. Matt Boylan also said that this is the information he is given. Again, hearsay, but still something to go on. So I am convinced that it is a circle around the flat earth. For these reasons, and also because, I haven't seen any convincing research to make me think otherwise. I am actually wondering about Matt Boylan. He says that he used to work for NASA, but he is also a comedian and an artist. Could it be that flat Earth is just a part of his act? Isn't it more likely that what he does is what it appears to be - stand-up comedy? I think anyone can go to Antarctica, I never found any evidence that people were stopped from going there. Has any flat Earther ever tried to go and was denied? That should be easy to verify. No theoretical research should be done as you can go there and see for yourself. Is there any research proving that Greenland or Iceland are islands? Also, 150 years ago they didn't have airplanes, and expeditions so far away were very risky and time-consuming. I just don't understand why it is so important for everyone in the Flat Earth community that Antarctica is the ice wall. At least, it would have had some credibility if it were backed up by some real field trips. In Scott's steps: How two men walked to the South Pole and into the record books1996/97 - “Solo TransAntarctica” – attempted solo crossing of Antarctica (1,450 km);Commonwealth Trans-Antarctic ExpeditionBørge OuslandSouth Pole Station
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 12:25:35 GMT
I am convinced that Matt Boylan is legit. The first reason being, if the flat earth was just part of his act, it would be a terrible choice, a real act killer. Because being a flat earther isn't exactly the way to get a crowd of thousands into a stadium for your act. I am also always skeptical of anything that comes out of the "history pages" or the media. I've learned to be skeptical about everything. So I don't buy the Scott or other expeditions. Once I saw that the government and NASA and tons of other agencies are making things up out of thin air, then everything has to be brought into question.
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Post by LIT on Apr 1, 2015 12:37:03 GMT
I am convinced that Matt Boylan is legit. The first reason being, if the flat earth was just part of his act, it would be a terrible choice, a real act killer. Because being a flat earther isn't exactly the way to get a crowd of thousands into a stadium for your act. I am also always skeptical of anything that comes out of the "history pages" or the media. I've learned to be skeptical about everything. So I don't buy the Scott or other expeditions. Once I saw that the government and NASA and tons of other agencies are making things up out of thin air, then everything has to be brought into question. Okay, but he could have at least signed up for one of the organized tours if he cared so much about it. I can't say he is legit. He doesn't even say it. He claims he worked for NASA, but that doesn't sound serious at all. Anything is possible though. He has great videos on youtube, and when it comes to the space travel he is spot on! I just don't believe that Antarctica is the ice wall, that is it. I will try to go there myself to satisfy my curiosity. I am wondering why the rest of you don't want to do it. I know someone who climbed Mt Vinson, so unless he is a liar even I have some personal reasons to believe it is true. I agree with you that history is often made up, but I don't think it means everything is a hoax. About the Antarctic expeditions, I admit that it would be very easy to fake pictures, videos etc. Antarctica is just an ice field, so even if you go to Siberia in winter or anywhere where there is a lot of snow and shoot a video you might say you're in Antarctica. However, that is why it is important to validate the idea. How can you be sure? Simple. Try to go there and if you succeed the whole thing is nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 12:46:46 GMT
I am convinced that Matt Boylan is legit. The first reason being, if the flat earth was just part of his act, it would be a terrible choice, a real act killer. Because being a flat earther isn't exactly the way to get a crowd of thousands into a stadium for your act. I am also always skeptical of anything that comes out of the "history pages" or the media. I've learned to be skeptical about everything. So I don't buy the Scott or other expeditions. Once I saw that the government and NASA and tons of other agencies are making things up out of thin air, then everything has to be brought into question. Okay, but he could have at least signed up for one of the organized tours if he cared so much about it. I can't say he is legit. He doesn't even say it. He claims he worked for NASA, but that doesn't sound serious at all. Anything is possible though. He has great videos on youtube, and when it comes to the space travel he is spot on! I just don't believe that Antarctica is the ice wall, that is it. I will try to go there myself to satisfy my curiosity. I am wondering why the rest of you don't want to do it. I know someone who climbed Mt Vinson, so unless he is a liar even I have some personal reasons to believe it is true. I agree with you that history is often made up, but I don't think it means everything is a hoax. About the Antarctic expeditions, I admit that it would be very easy to fake pictures, videos etc. Antarctica is just an ice field, so even if you go to Siberia in winter or anywhere where there is a lot of snow and shoot a video you might say you're in Antarctica. However, that is why it is important to validate the idea. How can you be sure? Simple. Try to go there and if you succeed the whole thing is nonsense. But the organized tours aren't going to take you beyond just a little area. I don't have the feasibility to actually travel there myself, so I need to rely on other forms of research. Factor in the claims that many make, that you will be shot on sight by world government agents if you go too far into Antarctica. Then there is the issue that explorer's journals always said that the waters were so volatile traveling down there, and their journeys always took much longer than they should have. There's something bizarre about the whole thing. Even that we call it "Antarctica" is just a product of the world's programming. In reality, what if it's just an earth-surrounding mountain range so far from direct sunlight, that it is covered in ice, and the name "Antarctica" really doesn't fit the reality of an earth-surrounding mountain range.
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Post by LIT on Apr 1, 2015 13:10:13 GMT
Okay, but he could have at least signed up for one of the organized tours if he cared so much about it. I can't say he is legit. He doesn't even say it. He claims he worked for NASA, but that doesn't sound serious at all. Anything is possible though. He has great videos on youtube, and when it comes to the space travel he is spot on! I just don't believe that Antarctica is the ice wall, that is it. I will try to go there myself to satisfy my curiosity. I am wondering why the rest of you don't want to do it. I know someone who climbed Mt Vinson, so unless he is a liar even I have some personal reasons to believe it is true. I agree with you that history is often made up, but I don't think it means everything is a hoax. About the Antarctic expeditions, I admit that it would be very easy to fake pictures, videos etc. Antarctica is just an ice field, so even if you go to Siberia in winter or anywhere where there is a lot of snow and shoot a video you might say you're in Antarctica. However, that is why it is important to validate the idea. How can you be sure? Simple. Try to go there and if you succeed the whole thing is nonsense. But the organized tours aren't going to take you beyond just a little area. I don't have the feasibility to actually travel there myself, so I need to rely on other forms of research. Factor in the claims that many make, that you will be shot on sight by world government agents if you go too far into Antarctica. Then there is the issue that explorer's journals always said that the waters were so volatile traveling down there, and their journeys always took much longer than they should have. There's something bizarre about the whole thing. Even that we call it "Antarctica" is just a product of the world's programming. In reality, what if it's just an earth-surrounding mountain range so far from direct sunlight, that it is covered in ice, and the name "Antarctica" really doesn't fit the reality of an earth-surrounding mountain range. So, how did the other explorers I mentioned cross the continent? They are liars and impostors? I realize that it is easy to fake such a thing, but do we have evidence for that or we just want it to be that way? About the journals, why do we even consider journals which are 150 years old and not modern-day journals about the same thing? Why do you think 150 years the journals were more reliable and trustworthy? Can you give me at least one example of someone who was shot or disappeared in Antarctica under mysterious circumstances? If we don't know of anyone like that why should we think that people get shot if they go to far into it? Antarctica is definitely a mountain, but it doesn't seem to be so far from direct sunlight. Again, that is based on the testimonies of people who have been there, but since we don't have our own accounts it seems it is a bit arrogant to deny it is true. How about Zhib's map? It offers a very good alternative to the current flat Earth map.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 13:15:27 GMT
But the organized tours aren't going to take you beyond just a little area. I don't have the feasibility to actually travel there myself, so I need to rely on other forms of research. Factor in the claims that many make, that you will be shot on sight by world government agents if you go too far into Antarctica. Then there is the issue that explorer's journals always said that the waters were so volatile traveling down there, and their journeys always took much longer than they should have. There's something bizarre about the whole thing. Even that we call it "Antarctica" is just a product of the world's programming. In reality, what if it's just an earth-surrounding mountain range so far from direct sunlight, that it is covered in ice, and the name "Antarctica" really doesn't fit the reality of an earth-surrounding mountain range. So, how did the other explorers I mentioned cross the continent? They are liars and impostors? I realize that it is easy to fake such a thing, but do we have evidence for that or we just want it to be that way? About the journals, why do we even consider journals which are 150 years old and not modern-day journals about the same thing? Why do you think 150 years the journals were more reliable and trustworthy? Can you give me at least one example of someone who was shot or disappeared in Antarctica under mysterious circumstances? If we don't know of anyone like that why should we think that people get shot if they go to far into it? Antarctica is definitely a mountain, but it doesn't seem to be so far from direct sunlight. Again, that is based on the testimonies of people who have been there, but since we don't have our own accounts it seems it is a bit arrogant to deny it is true. How about Zhib's map? It offers a very good alternative to the current flat Earth map. That is exactly what I'm saying. People have always written books since the creation of man. People write books, so do I believe the books of people 150 years ago, or the books of the people in the last 50 years? Maybe both are wrong. Which is why we can't come to any definitive conclusions. There is one other issue here that I haven't mentioned yet, and that is the Bible. I do personally believe the Bible is the absolute Word of God, and is 100% true. So that is my final authority on all matters. So that's really the only text I'm going to go with 100% of the time. Everything else is subject to scrutiny, for me. I've seen Zhib's map, but it doesn't work with the flight paths and times. It doesn't work with any of the flights that go from NH to NH. And it doesn't explain the SH flights always going through the NH, nor does it explain the secret refueling stops that Zetetic Flat Earth exposed in one of his videos. So while Zhib might mean well, it just doesn't work.
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Post by LIT on Apr 1, 2015 13:30:45 GMT
... That is exactly what I'm saying. People have always written books since the creation of man. People write books, so do I believe the books of people 150 years ago, or the books of the people in the last 50 years? Maybe both are wrong. Which is why we can't come to any definitive conclusions. There is one other issue here that I haven't mentioned yet, and that is the Bible. I do personally believe the Bible is the absolute Word of God, and is 100% true. So that is my final authority on all matters. So that's really the only text I'm going to go with 100% of the time. Everything else is subject to scrutiny, for me. I've seen Zhib's map, but it doesn't work with the flight paths and times. It doesn't work with any of the flights that go from NH to NH. And it doesn't explain the SH flights always going through the NH, nor does it explain the secret refueling stops that Zetetic Flat Earth exposed in one of his videos. So while Zhib might mean well, it just doesn't work. The Bible doesn't say that Antarctica is the ice wall. In fact, the Bible doesn't mention Antarctica or Australia or America. The history books might be wrong, but that is why people travel and check for themselves. I am sure 150 years ago there were still people who didn't believe Australia exists. But now such a claim would sound absurd, because a lot of people live there and many others visit all the time. As for Zhib's map, the UN flat Earth map also provides distorted distances as any other map projection too. Ok, so you think a youtuber can really expose something which happens every week based on hearsay, and without actually flying, but the passengers and the pilots themselves think it is okay and of course they are liars?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 13:38:00 GMT
... That is exactly what I'm saying. People have always written books since the creation of man. People write books, so do I believe the books of people 150 years ago, or the books of the people in the last 50 years? Maybe both are wrong. Which is why we can't come to any definitive conclusions. There is one other issue here that I haven't mentioned yet, and that is the Bible. I do personally believe the Bible is the absolute Word of God, and is 100% true. So that is my final authority on all matters. So that's really the only text I'm going to go with 100% of the time. Everything else is subject to scrutiny, for me. I've seen Zhib's map, but it doesn't work with the flight paths and times. It doesn't work with any of the flights that go from NH to NH. And it doesn't explain the SH flights always going through the NH, nor does it explain the secret refueling stops that Zetetic Flat Earth exposed in one of his videos. So while Zhib might mean well, it just doesn't work. The Bible doesn't say that Antarctica is the ice wall. In fact, the Bible doesn't mention Antarctica or Australia or America. The history books might be wrong, but that is why people travel and check for themselves. I am sure 150 years ago there were still people who didn't believe Australia exists. But now such a claim would sound absurd, because a lot of people live there and many others visit all the time. As for Zhib's map, the UN flat Earth map also provides distorted distances as any other map projection too. Ok, so you think a youtuber can really expose something which happens every week based on hearsay, and without actually flying, but the passengers and the pilots themselves think it is okay and of course they are liars? I never said that the Bible was stating anything about an ice wall. I was just bringing it up as a point of reference, that other than the Bible, I don't trust any materials without tons and tons of scrutiny. The passengers and pilots aren't lying. They're flying by GPS. All they know is that the plane is going where GPS says to go. Zhib's map is impossible. And I don't trust the UN for anything. It is the UN, after all. I don't believe that the UN map is perfect. I don't believe there is any perfect map of the flat earth. At least, nothing that would be accessible to people like you and me.
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Post by LIT on Apr 1, 2015 13:54:28 GMT
The Bible doesn't say that Antarctica is the ice wall. In fact, the Bible doesn't mention Antarctica or Australia or America. The history books might be wrong, but that is why people travel and check for themselves. I am sure 150 years ago there were still people who didn't believe Australia exists. But now such a claim would sound absurd, because a lot of people live there and many others visit all the time. As for Zhib's map, the UN flat Earth map also provides distorted distances as any other map projection too. Ok, so you think a youtuber can really expose something which happens every week based on hearsay, and without actually flying, but the passengers and the pilots themselves think it is okay and of course they are liars? I never said that the Bible was stating anything about an ice wall. I was just bringing it up as a point of reference, that other than the Bible, I don't trust any materials without tons and tons of scrutiny. The passengers and pilots aren't lying. They're flying by GPS. All they know is that the plane is going where GPS says to go. Zhib's map is impossible. And I don't trust the UN for anything. It is the UN, after all. I don't believe that the UN map is perfect. I don't believe there is any perfect map of the flat earth. At least, nothing that would be accessible to people like you and me. I only mentioned the Bible because you said it is your authority on all matters, but in this particular debate is of no relevance, because it doesn't mention Antarctica or the ice wall. If pilots don't know where they are flying without GPS, then you or me or anyone on the Internet certainly cannot know either. It is absolutely pretentious for someone to suggest that they know better how and where planes fly, even better than the pilots, especially if they can't even fly a plane themselves. Why is Zhib's map impossible? Could you please mention where the problem with the map is? The UN flat Earth map has exactly the same issues too. Both maps are projections. They all have distorted distances.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 14:01:28 GMT
Zhib's map is impossible, because it turns the flight times from one NH place to another NH place, into impossibility. The flight times would be absolutely impossible. They don't do secret refuel stops on those flights. They do on the SH to SH flights, if it is a non-stop flight (and these are very difficult to find anyway).
His map is impossible on the flight time issue alone.
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Post by LIT on Apr 1, 2015 14:52:18 GMT
Zhib's map is impossible, because it turns the flight times from one NH place to another NH place, into impossibility. The flight times would be absolutely impossible. They don't do secret refuel stops on those flights. They do on the SH to SH flights, if it is a non-stop flight (and these are very difficult to find anyway). His map is impossible on the flight time issue alone. This is just a map projection. The flight times closer to the outer ring on the other map are also impossible. That is because one map is North pole based, the other one is South pole based, but they both distort the distances and the continental shapes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 14:54:54 GMT
Zhib's map is impossible, because it turns the flight times from one NH place to another NH place, into impossibility. The flight times would be absolutely impossible. They don't do secret refuel stops on those flights. They do on the SH to SH flights, if it is a non-stop flight (and these are very difficult to find anyway). His map is impossible on the flight time issue alone. This is just a map projection. The flight times closer to the outer ring on the other map are also impossible. That is because one map is North pole based, the other one is South pole based, but they both distort the distances and the continental shapes. The north-pole-based position, is not impossible for the outer ring flights. They all connect in the northern hemisphere, unless you find one of the few direct flights, and those do stops to refuel.
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Post by LIT on Apr 1, 2015 14:58:04 GMT
This is just a map projection. The flight times closer to the outer ring on the other map are also impossible. That is because one map is North pole based, the other one is South pole based, but they both distort the distances and the continental shapes. The north-pole-based position, is not impossible for the outer ring flights. They all connect in the northern hemisphere, unless you find one of the few direct flights, and those do stops to refuel. Same thing in the other scenario. As I said both maps are distorted by definition as they are map projections.
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 15:01:27 GMT
lol I don´t even trust official flight times
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 15:07:43 GMT
lol I don´t even trust official flight times Yes, there's that as well. Everything is a lie, a distortion. So we have to go with what we have observed. I have flown in the NH, and the SH. It did get weird in the SH in terms of being much longer than I thought it would be. I can't remember a lot of detail, because I wasn't really paying attention at that time. If someone doesn't believe in the flat earth, as I didn't at that time, then they would ignore any weirdness. So I stick with my belief that the north pole is the center.
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 15:17:17 GMT
lol I don´t even trust official flight times Yes, there's that as well. Everything is a lie, a distortion. So we have to go with what we have observed. I have flown in the NH, and the SH. It did get weird in the SH in terms of being much longer than I thought it would be. I can't remember a lot of detail, because I wasn't really paying attention at that time. If someone doesn't believe in the flat earth, as I didn't at that time, then they would ignore any weirdness. So I stick with my belief that the north pole is the center. yes I am not a brainstormer but a simple delay, weather circumstances, terrorism, or whatever are just very good reasons for everything this way
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 9, 2015 18:44:36 GMT
Hey,
In "the truman show" movie, the flat earth "edge" is in the ocean. Maybe there is a occult clue on this... In Zhib's map seem to be more in sincronity with the "truman" version that the firmament meets directly with the water.
But I personally think the "antartica" is full of misterious things going on... It seems to make more sense to be the outer part. Wouldn't the "artic firmament" be more easy to discover, since many ships and planes travel around there? Also more people live around there.
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Post by LIT on Apr 9, 2015 20:53:52 GMT
Hey, In "the truman show" movie, the flat earth "edge" is in the ocean. Maybe there is a occult clue on this... In Zhib's map seem to be more in sincronity with the "truman" version that the firmament meets directly with the water. But I personally think the "antartica" is full of misterious things going on... It seems to make more sense to be the outer part. Wouldn't the "artic firmament" be more easy to discover, since many ships and planes travel around there? Also more people live around there. Yes, supposedly planes fly across the Arctic all the time. I have an idea. What if the ice rim is composed both of Antarctica and the Arctic. We just need to redraw the map. It would be similar to the regular map, but we need to make some adjustments. There should be an ocean between Asia and North America
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Post by jayjay on Apr 10, 2015 1:34:49 GMT
that Zhib guy speaks so sure of himself it's hilarious. I'm going with North Pole being true north. Because the flight connection routes make more sense with that model. If Antarctica was center I think we would be baffled by how short and quick the Southern Hemisphere flights are.
How bout I was doing some research on coordinates. If you look at flat earth and take 2 pts on a north line (ex. 40N 80W to 40N 120W) and Earth is a perfect sphere. Then (40S 80W and 40S 120W) would be the same distance apart. If flat earth model is true, then the southern coordinates would be much further apart than the northern. So I google coordinate distance calculators and plug in the coordinates in the nau.edu calculator. First one I picked. The north coordinates are 2101 statute miles apart with the following disclaimer
"This calculation assumes the earth is a perfect sphere with a radius of 3963.1 statute miles"
Whaat? So naturally the South coordinates were the exact same distance. That's pretty damning evidence that they had to throw that disclaimer in there. Wonder if I can find the real coordinate distance without "assuming" the earth is a perfect sphere. That's like the news always saying the "alleged shooter" and the man "believed to" have orchestrated the attack.
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Post by LIT on Apr 10, 2015 5:49:11 GMT
that Zhib guy speaks so sure of himself it's hilarious. I'm going with North Pole being true north. Because the flight connection routes make more sense with that model. If Antarctica was center I think we would be baffled by how short and quick the Southern Hemisphere flights are. How bout I was doing some research on coordinates. If you look at flat earth and take 2 pts on a north line (ex. 40N 80W to 40N 120W) and Earth is a perfect sphere. Then (40S 80W and 40S 120W) would be the same distance apart. If flat earth model is true, then the southern coordinates would be much further apart than the northern. So I google coordinate distance calculators and plug in the coordinates in the nau.edu calculator. First one I picked. The north coordinates are 2101 statute miles apart with the following disclaimer "This calculation assumes the earth is a perfect sphere with a radius of 3963.1 statute miles" Whaat? So naturally the South coordinates were the exact same distance. That's pretty damning evidence that they had to throw that disclaimer in there. Wonder if I can find the real coordinate distance without "assuming" the earth is a perfect sphere. That's like the news always saying the "alleged shooter" and the man "believed to" have orchestrated the attack. jayjayActually, the Southern hemisphere flights are not that abnormally long. It is only Mark who makes up fake facts that it takes 20 hours to fly from Australia to South America. It takes only twelve. There are flights with connections, but if you see how long each leg takes you will see it matches perfectly with the known distances. On the other hand, the southern hemisphere flights should be much, much longer assuming the FE map is correct. If you look at the flat Earth map again, the flight routes are impossible(i.e. super long). Remember the equator has a circumference of 40,075 km and it is a circle around the North Pole. That is why Mark made up the whole thing about the radar disappearing flights, and the missing non-stop flights and the very long flights. It doesn't matter if most flights have connections if there are still non-stop flights which take 12 hours from Santiago to Sydney. His argument is a joke. The same philosophy as the confused girl who suggested that Patagonia should have midnight Sun. These people are either ignorant(as in intentionally avoiding to learn something) or liars. I feel personally offended that someone wants me to believe in nonsense and insists it is true. That is nothing else but disinfo. I did my research and found absolutely nothing weird about the flight times in the southern hemisphere. Those who say there is something wrong have never looked at a globe and never studied carefully the flat Earth map which is bullshit. Zhib's map is not correct either. It is a south pole projection map. Using his map it takes shorter to fly to the South pole than to Alaska from Europe. Antarctica is halfway and crossing Russia takes forever. He also denies that people fly in the Arctic all the time. Both maps are distortions by definition. It is wrong to say one is the flat Earth map and the other is Zhib's map, because no one drew those maps for that purpose at all. They are map projections and have proper names. North Pole Azimuthal equidistant projection and South Pole Azimuthal equidistant projection. Everyone knows that a map projection is based on a sphere and it is always distorted. Claiming it is true and correct is meaningless.
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Post by jayjay on Apr 10, 2015 11:08:04 GMT
@lit It's been probably over a year since I looked up flight info, but when I did it didn't take me long to find nonstop flights that make sense on globe model time wise. But the flights that do have connections make sense on a flat earth (North Pole) map and not much sense on a globe. But I've gone NY to Florida by way of Chicago before. I did think it was strange when Sargent said he spent hours looking at flights and couldn't find one that made sense. The point I was making about Zhibs (south pole) map may have been a little off but I think or order to believe its boundaries you would need to also believe in warp zones to make sense of travel in the north. Haven't looked into the radar southern hemisphere info so I don't have much input on it. Out of curiosity, is there a map out there that you feel is a closer depiction of the truth more than others, whether its drawn to scale or not? You say people fly over the arctic but do you believe they fly straight south over a pole and then are facing north? I have not found any info claiming going in one side of Antarctica straight through and out the other. Flying over it and straight through are two different things. Also why I lean toward North Pole map boundary wise not to scale. Only way to know for sure is to point south and keep going.
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Post by LIT on Apr 10, 2015 11:26:09 GMT
@lit It's been probably over a year since I looked up flight info, but when I did it didn't take me long to find nonstop flights that make sense on globe model time wise. But the flights that do have connections make sense on a flat earth (North Pole) map and not much sense on a globe. But I've gone NY to Florida by way of Chicago before. I did think it was strange when Sargent said he spent hours looking at flights and couldn't find one that made sense. The point I was making about Zhibs (south pole) map may have been a little off but I think or order to believe its boundaries you would need to also believe in warp zones to make sense of travel in the north. Haven't looked into the radar southern hemisphere info so I don't have much input on it. Out of curiosity, is there a map out there that you feel is a closer depiction of the truth more than others, whether its drawn to scale or not? You say people fly over the arctic but do you believe they fly straight south over a pole and then are facing north? I have not found any info claiming going in one side of Antarctica straight through and out the other. Flying over it and straight through are two different things. Also why I lean toward North Pole map boundary wise not to scale. Only way to know for sure is to point south and keep going. jayjay All maps in existence are map projections based on the distances on a sphere. They are distorted. This is the definition of a map projection. The only possibility for anything in the current model to be wrong would be if the distances are fake.How do you fake distances? The airlines spend more fuel just to keep the conspiracy going? They also fly two-three times faster in the southern hemisphere to compensate for the longer distances? The compass is wrong, the latitude and longitude are wrong. The sunset and sunrise times are wrong? Does it sound reasonable to you? You can fly to anywhere using flight connections.There are many options to reach your destination. It will be strange if there are no non-stop flights, but there are. If you want to go to Florida you can also go first to London, it is your choice. You can also fly directly though. What are you suggesting? Just to give you an example how stupid this thing with the flight connections is. They say it is strange why you cannot fly from Buenos Aires to Sydney directly. However, you can fly from Buenos Aires to Santiago for less than 2 hours and from there you take another flight to Sydney for 12 hours. What exactly is suspicious here? Please tell me?
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Post by jayjay on Apr 10, 2015 12:22:14 GMT
The suspicion is taking 2 14hr flights when you should be able to take a 9 and a 4. Not an it's your choice issue, it's the connections they make you take in order to buy a ticket. If you look up the flights you can easily say "why would they send me from here to there with my stop 10hrs out of the way?" You don't see how that would make someone think? I simply went point a to b to c on a globe, and saw plenty of more logical stops that could have been taken, or a nonstop under the globe more economical. Go a to b to c on North Pole map and it looks like they needed the stops in order to get you across the plain. It's not in your face smoking gun evidence, but suspicious enough for a closer look. And the current model does not seem near to scale size or distance, especially when it comes to Antarctica. From everything I've seen read and heard about Antarctica, it's much bigger than the small ice cap on the bottom of the globe. Don't be so passive on them spending extra money to keep a conspiracy going. How much does nasa spend to keep us believing they're not full of shit. You may believe we're on a globe but if you believe nasa is actually landing rovers on Mars and went to the Moon I would have to say you are not paying attention. They are spending a lot on this illusion. Their images are images and not real pictures, what are they hiding and why? That is what has me on this subject. I don't know the shape of the earth, but I know damn well, they are lying.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 23:13:52 GMT
The suspicion is taking 2 14hr flights when you should be able to take a 9 and a 4. Not an it's your choice issue, it's the connections they make you take in order to buy a ticket. If you look up the flights you can easily say "why would they send me from here to there with my stop 10hrs out of the way?" You don't see how that would make someone think? I simply went point a to b to c on a globe, and saw plenty of more logical stops that could have been taken, or a nonstop under the globe more economical. Go a to b to c on North Pole map and it looks like they needed the stops in order to get you across the plain. It's not in your face smoking gun evidence, but suspicious enough for a closer look. And the current model does not seem near to scale size or distance, especially when it comes to Antarctica. From everything I've seen read and heard about Antarctica, it's much bigger than the small ice cap on the bottom of the globe. Don't be so passive on them spending extra money to keep a conspiracy going. How much does nasa spend to keep us believing they're not full of shit. You may believe we're on a globe but if you believe nasa is actually landing rovers on Mars and went to the Moon I would have to say you are not paying attention. They are spending a lot on this illusion. Their images are images and not real pictures, what are they hiding and why? That is what has me on this subject. I don't know the shape of the earth, but I know damn well, they are lying. Yes, indeed. There is a reason that NASA are creators of cartoons. NASA makes more cartoons than Nickelodeon. They are lying about virtually everything. So the fact that something is being covered up, is evident. I don't believe it's just cartoons to keep the funding coming, as in, "we're doing so much research, so gimme the money". I believe they are truly hiding giant things. And I believe the flat earth is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 14:25:11 GMT
Hey @jess , check this video out. Start watching however at 5:50, (the first part is actually an interesting BBC doc but the Antarctica part starts at 5:50).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 21:04:31 GMT
Hey @jess , check this video out. Start watching however at 5:50, (the first part is actually an interesting BBC doc but the Antarctica part starts at 5:50). Well that's a new one. Is he saying that there is an infinite loop west and east, and ice "mountains" block north and south?
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Post by jayjay on Apr 12, 2015 21:28:59 GMT
I see this as incredibly far fetched. There is no way they should try to sell that idea without an explanation of the north and south loop. Remember as far as we know, you can go north on the east of that map then be shot south from the top on the west side. But no good exploration of what happens if you go straight south on that map. Not logical to me at all.
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 15:44:31 GMT
I see this as incredibly far fetched. There is no way they should try to sell that idea without an explanation of the north and south loop. Remember as far as we know, you can go north on the east of that map then be shot south from the top on the west side. But no good exploration of what happens if you go straight south on that map. Not logical to me at all. Hi jayjay, have you been "north on the east of that map"? Has ANYONE you have EVER personally known been "north on the east of that map"?
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