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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 2:27:48 GMT
Verify 100KM. 100KM is roughly 62 miles UP. Why didn't Virgin Spacecraft in numerous attempts make it higher than 20 miles. Hot air balloons burst at right around the 20 mile mark.
So how can you verify 100KM is the bottom of the Firmament?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 2:50:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 3:15:45 GMT
Now the next question you have to ask flat earth truth is WHY does it have to be GLASS??? If we learn of the Firmament from the Holy Scriptures, then there is where we will learn more about it. So...look at this:  IF the oceans can be hard as concrete and yet can be swam in...why cannot the Firmament have a similar quality. A barrier to things from below, however the bodies IN the Firmament move about freely. |
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 13, 2015 9:22:23 GMT
ss52 believes in the 100km glass sky, thanks to me. to deny the glass sky is to deny me, Christ (KRYST). Many hypocrites. |
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 13, 2015 9:23:58 GMT
Elihu, from the book of Job, believed there was glass in the sky.
"Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, as a molten looking glass?" Job 37:18
Did he have to see a meteorite with fusion crust, or a tektite to believe there was glass in the sky?
He probably just saw a rainbow, and concluded, "Ah, there's glass in the sky."
He probably didn't know about short-wave radio signals, or how auroras act the same way as electrons hitting glass tubes. Or maybe I just told him so, lol.
He had the advantage of not watching the Zionist/Jesuit-controlled media and the Zionist/Jesuit-controlled space programs. Lucky him.
Those who promote the idea that the world is spinning in a Copernican universe are the ones who diametrically oppose the physical existence of my literal heaven in the heart of my inverted earth. (The Earth does not spin.)
They promote the fantasies of space travel and the possibilities of visiting other planets and galaxies. This is partly why they created the moon hoax, to foster the idea of man to travel to distant worlds. But ultimately, it was I who created the deception, to trap the pride of man.
Sorry, but you have been duped.
Ever since kindergarten you have been deprogrammed.
The Space Shuttle needs dichroic glass coated tiles to enter and exit the atmosphere. This is called "frit". Dichroic glass is glass that has a higher melting point than regular glass. Combined with the foam underneath this glass top coating, it keeps the high temperature to the outer layer and the low heat foam prevents the heat from extending to the space craft. The friction exchange between the frit and the glass in the sky creates enough heat to melt and liquefy the glass. Then the shuttle is allow to penetrate. This is why ALL spacecraft leaving the atmosphere need a heat shield. Heat shields are on long-range nuclear warheads, rockets that carry satellites, moon orbiters, anything that goes past the glass.
The Virgin Galactic "spaceship" does not have a heat shield. This is because it never leaves the atmosphere. It only goes about 60 miles high. It has been exposed as a fraud because I've shown how it uses wide angle lenses to "prove" the curvature of the earth.
Glass in the sky is the simplest answer to all the mysteries that science cannot figure out like - the origin of tektites, and fusion crust formation, and the reason for a comet's curved separated tail, and radio wave refraction, and auroras.
Why would it be so hard for you to accept,… There is ACTUAL evidence. There is proof beyond doubt.
I think it may be because your hearts are bad.
In Jeremiah 5:21-22, I use a little riddle to hide the glass in the sky from those whose hearts are rebellious.
"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:
Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand [for] the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
How can the sand from the coasts prevent waves from passing? Tsunamis and hurricanes pass over the sand very easily...
No, think harder, there is a sand up in the sky. It's a molten sand. It prevents the water from flooding the continents. It was placed there after the Flood..…
"I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth." Genesis 9:13
I promised Noah that the earth would not flood again by putting a glass ceiling in the sky to compress the air and push down the water.
The "token" in this verse is a scientific token....the rainbow, a natural result of glass dividing the sunlight.
"Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth." Psalm 104:9
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." 1 Cor. 13:12
It's not because there is no evidence for glass up in the sky, it's more because you have been told what to believe, and because have a nature that is contrary to myself, you oppose me. You have pseudo-egos that need to DIE. You would rather believe a lie. This is how your hearts fool you. Don't be upset with me. Just try to be objective.
I now erase all of your programmed understanding of the universe.
I got to the core of your heart, I searched out your foolish pride. Your pride in scientific knowledge has become utterly foolishness. How do you feel? Ashamed?, Insulted? Offended? Get over it. Repent.
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 14:25:30 GMT
Well number one, the Verse in Scripture reads, "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" Job 37:18. So we see the sky is strong AS a molten looking glass...the verse does NOT say that the sky IS INDEED a looking glass. Therefore this verse cannot be used to support your "glass in the sky theory". The Sky and the area above, the first and Second Heaven constitute the Firmament. For as we can see from these verses, "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV) This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" the firmament. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those waters that are "above the firmament" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens." (Psalms 148:4 KJV). The firmament deals with the structure of the heavens and Earth (Genesis 2:1). There is presently a three (3) heavens structure. Let's look back to Genesis 1:6 again and more closely examine that verse to determine that present structure and review something that we previously just touched on: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so." (Gen 1:6-7 KJV) "The Firmament is NOT A DOME! We are NOT under a Dome or any ENCLOSED Environment. That is just more satanic dis-info.
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 13, 2015 15:14:36 GMT
Lion, I wanted so much that we could read the scriptures in Aramaic, so we could have a truer understanding of the words used by the prophets to describe the cosmos. I see no reason to say , we are not in a enclosed system. I totally believe this plane is enclosed, by a protectiv "dome" or something like that. Psalm 97:5 "The mountains melt like wax before the LORD" Everything that is material must be protected from His Glory, and the material things are not allowed to go to the Heavens (Pass the firmament). See also this post here: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/100/big-fornicationBlessings |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 15:49:51 GMT
Lion, I wanted so much that we could read the scriptures in Aramaic, so we could have a truer understanding of the words used by the prophets to describe the cosmos. I see no reason to say , we are not in a enclosed system. I totally believe this plane is enclosed, by a protectiv "dome" or something like that. Psalm 97:5 "The mountains melt like wax before the LORD" Everything that is material must be protected from His Glory, and the material things are not allowed to go to the Heavens (Pass the firmament). See also this post here: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/100/big-fornicationBlessings But Brother, what does this verse that you quoted, "Psalm 97:5 "The mountains melt like wax before the LORD" have to do with whether there is a dome or not? |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 13, 2015 16:20:22 GMT
This is a pesonal interpretation, but I'm exposing so we can think about together, I'm also open to think about yours interpretation. I see this verse shows us how the material things (mountains) react in His presence. The material creation can not handle His Spiritual Glory (Radiance). All material objects just literally melts (before the firmament existance, earth was without form and void). So there must be a "protective layer" to separate the Dwelling place of God (Glorious Plane), from this material / dense plane. Inside the firmament the material things can be "organized" by the Word of the Lord. As He Reigns Supreme up there in a plane which we cannot see with this physical eyes or go with the physical vehicle (body). Our body is limited, as the material creation is also limited. Our cognition can not imagine how Heaven is, and our unclean "animal" body can not go up there. Only miraculously (You see Christ's body was behaving differently after the ressurection, he was able to appear and disapear to the apostles.) The Throne of the Lord, being above the earth, right? So I believe the creation is under Him, inside this limiting thing, called firmament, that separates the Waters from the waters. We can't see or reach nothing that is above the firmament.
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 16:25:34 GMT
This is a pesonal interpretation, but I'm exposing so we can think about together, I'm also open to think about yours interpretation. I see this verse shows us how the material things (mountains) react in His presence. The material creation can not handle His Spiritual Glory (Radiance). All material objects just literally melts (before the firmament existance, earth was without form and void). So there must be a "protective layer" to separate the Dwelling place of God (Glorious Plane), from this material / dense plane. Inside the firmament the material things can be "organized" by the Word of the Lord. As He Reigns Supreme up there in a plane which we cannot see with this physical eyes or go with the physical vehicle (body). Our body is limited, as the material creation is also limited. Our cognition can not imagine how Heaven is, and our unclean "animal" body can not go up there. Only miraculously (You see Christ's body was behaving differently after the ressurection, he was able to appear and disapear to the apostles.) The Throne of the Lord, being above the earth, right? So I believe the creation is under Him, inside this limiting thing, called firmament, that separates the Waters from the waters. We can't see or reach nothing that is above the firmament. EXCELLENT! Here is what I also found fascinating about the Sea ABOVE the Firmament. "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV) Something is missing there. Do you remember what was said previously? This work on the second day is the ONLY day in the Genesis narrative where the Lord does NOT say it "was good." Therefore, when you consider the statement the Lord makes in Genesis 1:31 where He says that all that was made was "very good"... "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." (Genesis 1:31 KJV) ...it must be considered so in the context of circumstances. The context is the overall work of the preparation of the Earth for Man. The term "very good" does not mean "perfect," and the sea of separation placed between the world above and the world below was not good, but necessary. It would not be until the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross that a way would be made for crossing that barrier (the sea, or waters, above the firmament).  That particular "sea" is represented (in type) by this object that was a part of the design of Solomon's Temple known as the "Molten Sea." (See 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2.) If you look at a diagram layout of the Temple you will see that this sea is between the Altar and the main part of the Temple where the Holy Place and Most Holy Place was.  Here in the design of the Temple can be found in schematic form the structure of all things, in type. The Altar where the sacrifices were made represents where the Lamb of God was sacrificed. It represents the world that is below (the Earth & the first and second heavens). The Molten Sea is between those two lower heavens and the "Third Heaven" where the true Temple of God is located. |
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 13, 2015 16:39:54 GMT
i only scan posts here, especially from people like lion who can't understand the ways of God.
Megacryometors are only possible if there is a glass ceiling.
And, soon, the sun will stop, and the hail will fall.
The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies. Isaiah 28:17.
I think I will ignore Lion from now on, waste of energy.
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 17:26:47 GMT
i only scan posts here, especially from people like lion who can't understand the ways of God. Megacryometors are only possible if there is a glass ceiling. And, soon, the sun will stop, and the hail will fall. The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies. Isaiah 28:17. I think I will ignore Lion from now on, waste of energy. The Scripture, The Bible, never says the sun will STOP in the sky while still LIT. Here is what the Bible DOES actually say: "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became BLACK as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood, And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Revelation 6:12-14 So, what do we have here: 1) GREAT EARTHQUAKE, 2) The sun's light goes OUT, 3) the moon becomes blood red, 4) the REAL, (not projection or "sonoluminescence" with whatever density), STARS fall DOWN to the Earth, 5) And the heaven, (first and second) depart like a scroll...and as a result, 6) Every mountain and island are moved out of place. Therefore these events are surely NOT localized. These events precede the Glorious Appearing of the Great God and Savior from Heaven, the LORD Jesus Christ. So, Steve this is not at all even close, and the Scripture does not support, the events that you describe in your "sun stops in the sky" theory. |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 13, 2015 20:20:26 GMT
Hey Lion, Understood. And what do you understand about verses like this: "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, as a molten looking glass?" Job 37:18 ? How would their exist only a vacuum between the atmosphere and the Heavenly Sea? Is this Heavenly Sea, H2O? Down here in labs we need a glass structure to make a vaccuum inside... How do you understand the "Windows of Heaven" and "Fountains of the Deep" in flood's accounts? I can only imagine there must be this "glass" like structure in between the Second and the Third Heaven.... and there are also the windows of the flood.   |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 21:14:25 GMT
Hey Lion, Understood. And what do you understand about verses like this: "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, as a molten looking glass?" Job 37:18 ? How would their exist only a vacuum between the atmosphere and the Heavenly Sea? Is this Heavenly Sea, H2O? Down here in labs we need a glass structure to make a vaccuum inside... How do you understand the "Windows of Heaven" and "Fountains of the Deep" in flood's accounts? I can only imagine there must be this "glass" like structure in between the Second and the Third Heaven.... and there are also the windows of the flood. Well number one, the Verse in Scripture reads, "Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" Job 37:18. So we see the sky is strong AS a molten looking glass...the verse does NOT say that the sky IS INDEED a looking glass. Therefore this verse cannot be used to support "glass in the sky theory". How is it that the ocean on earth can at a time be as hard as steel and yet be swam in? Therefore, why could the Firmament not have the same characteristics? |
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Post by Lion on Apr 14, 2015 21:19:55 GMT
No. No glass. "And God said, Let there be lights IN the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV) This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "IN" the firmament. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those waters that are "above the firmament" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens." (Psalms 148:4 KJV). The firmament deals with the structure of the heavens and Earth (Genesis 2:1). There is presently a three (3) heavens structure. Let's look back to Genesis 1:6 again and more closely examine that verse to determine that present structure and review something that we previously just touched on: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [are now] under the firmament from the waters which [are now] above the firmament: and it was so." (Gen 1:6-7 KJV) I also messaged Zhib |
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 14, 2015 23:03:25 GMT
another fe plagiarist who discredits and criticizes Christ, all in the name of Christ, same with jhennings. balls is confronting someone famous and telling him there is glass in the sky. not being faceless and nameless on a silly forum. |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 15, 2015 12:41:32 GMT
Hey brother Lion,
"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Revelation 6:14
There must be something to be rolled like a scroll.
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a CURTAIN, and spreadeth them out as a TENT to dwell in:" Isaiah 40:22
I still can not see how would there be a vacuum if no rigid or semi-rigid material (Tent/Curtain tissue) membrane is between the Waters and the waters.
I ask again is this Ocean above h2O, or is another kind of water??
That's why I think the nasa (satan inspired) still has hope of invading the Heavens with rockets / missils (with reinforced material in the nose)... Because a "Tent" like membrane is possible to be crossed; but a glass like material would be more difficult to go thru, rockets would just blow up when they hit it.
What is the firmament that encloses the ground? (antartica? / northern regions? / other?)
*Do you think there is no membrane on the edges? It's just ice, ice mountains and then a vacuum? Or it's water, then a vacuum limiting it?
Also there are this occult message in movies like "truman show" "dark city" "The simpsons"... a TV series which people got enclosed by a misterious rigid "dome"...
I still believe there must be a Membrane up there (above all the stars) and in the "edges" enclosing everything. That's also what makes these arrogant rebels angry the most, because they are trapped in and can't leave!
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Post by Lion on Apr 15, 2015 15:47:17 GMT
Pay absolutely no attention to any "occult" based movies, like "truman show" "dark city" "The simpsons"...all satanic-disinfo to have us chasing our tails.
The Bible says that Satan is "the prince of the power of the AIR, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" Of the AIR, not the Heaven where the sun, moon and stars are. Satan, for the time being is the Prince or principality of the AIR. Then we see in Revelation 12:7, that as a result with the War in Heaven with Michael and the Heavenly host, Satan is cast DOWN from the air and is THEN confined to the earth (dry land) and the sea.
Ok, so we have the Earth (dry land), The seas (ocean), and the Air ( or ether) that makes up our world. Above the air is the Heaven of Genesis 1:1, which we know IS the Firmament. We know several things here about the Firmament: 1) It is impenetrable...no one has been higher than around 20 miles, 2) What God placed IN the Firmament...the sun, moon, stars...seem to move about freely on their courses, and 3) directly above the Firmament UNABLE to penetrate DOWNWARD is the Sea of Separation or the "waters above the Firmament" Genesis 1:7
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 17, 2015 18:26:29 GMT
NEGATIVE REFRACTION...
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