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Post by honesttruthseeker on Apr 9, 2015 15:31:48 GMT
Apparently man has made it all the way to the moon about 40 years ago (or that's what we are being told).
Well...40 years later, 5 DEC 2014 NASA has launched its furthest capsule from the moon missions, Orion. Supposedly, the rocket went up to 3600 miles above ground (don't think so).
Through the goodness of NASA, we got this video, showing the re-entry of the capsule in the Earth's atmosphere. The footage is taken apparently at 143km above ground, dated 5 DEC 2014!
AND....the earth is flat! From 143km above ground!
Same 1960 - quality footage from NASA, although this mission alone swallowed $350 million. And they didn't have money for a HD camera??
Enjoy !!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 17:37:39 GMT
Hmm, you're right... this movie was not worth 350 million dollars. It's quite disappointing that they cannot show us more interesting videos than 45 years ago... In fact those videos were more entertaining and advanced: More videos here: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/47/space-travel-bloopers
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Post by LIT on Apr 10, 2015 5:55:51 GMT
honesttruthseekerI understand that NASA and its missions seem fake, but could you please explain why they would want to show the Earth flat from space and for what purpose? If the missions are fake they can make it appear whatever they want. We can't use NASA footage if we consider them a fake space agency. So they are fake, but then we use their own photos and videos to prove the Earth is flat? Do you see the contradiction?
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Post by honesttruthseeker on Apr 10, 2015 8:26:32 GMT
Well, I don't think everything Nasa shows us is fake.
I think this video might be real, because is very similar to the amateur balloon footages on youtube.
For the instance, the rocket take offs are real, some of them are witnessed by many eye witnesses.
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Post by LIT on Apr 10, 2015 8:47:15 GMT
Well, I don't think everything Nasa shows us is fake. I think this video might be real, because is very similar to the amateur balloon footages on youtube. For the instance, the rocket take offs are real, some of them are witnessed by many eye witnesses. You think NASA sends rockets into space but lies about the shape of the Earth and somehow it accidentally leaked a video where there is no curvature thus proving the Earth is flat? Why would they do that if they are trying to hide the real shape of the Earth? Apparently, they are either not hiding anything or they are trying to make people believe the Earth is flat. This kind of logic doesn't make sense to me. Maybe the lack of curvature doesn't prove flat Earth?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 11:59:38 GMT
honesttruthseeker, he's playing the devil's advocate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_advocate His objective is to avoid a situation where we all agree with each other and stop asking the right questions. I hope you don't get offended by his questioning you, although I do realize that question marks sometimes seem aggressive, almost as much as capital letters and exclamation marks.
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Post by LIT on Apr 10, 2015 12:52:29 GMT
honesttruthseeker, he's playing the devil's advocate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_advocate His objective is to avoid a situation where we all agree with each other and stop asking the right questions. I hope you don't get offended by his questioning you, although I do realize that question marks sometimes seem aggressive, almost as much as capital letters and exclamation marks. Acenci, seriously. Don't you think it is retarded if you want to hide something from the masses to give them a video which shows there is no curvature? That is not playing devil's advocate, that is common sense. If someone is hiding something and they control the access to this kind of information they surely will not show you footage from space which helps the flat Earth theory. Apparently, the video was shot and no one cared if someone out there would think it is evidence for flat Earth, because they don't consider the lack of curvature in photos to be evidence for that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 13:15:17 GMT
It is a good point, but if you put your points forward with this methodology and terminology, you increase the probability of involuntary accidents. If someone posts a video and you tell them that NASA would be "retarded", someone sensitive could interpret it as "my video is retarded" rather than just "NASA is retarded". Why not use a more neutral term as: I see your points, but I disagree with you, since I feel that NASA could have faked a curvature". But then one could object: what if they forgot? You think they don't make mistakes? What about the bubbles in space and all the other bloopers? Cf. serendipitous.boards.net/thread/47/space-travel-bloopersWhat about all the mistakes they made on 911, including BBC reading the news 20 minutes early on building 7? See, I can use question marks to my advantage, too. Having said this, I am glad you are directing the debate "heat" at me rather than at the new members (who still don't know your talent and passion for debate - and might mistake you for an Eric no.2). Bring it on!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 13:42:58 GMT
honesttruthseeker, he's playing the devil's advocate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_advocate His objective is to avoid a situation where we all agree with each other and stop asking the right questions. I hope you don't get offended by his questioning you, although I do realize that question marks sometimes seem aggressive, almost as much as capital letters and exclamation marks. Acenci, seriously. Don't you think it is retarded if you want to hide something from the masses to give them a video which shows there is no curvature? That is not playing devil's advocate, that is common sense. If someone is hiding something and they control the access to this kind of information they surely will not show you footage from space which helps the flat Earth theory. Apparently, the video was shot and no one cared if someone out there would think it is evidence for flat Earth, because they don't consider the lack of curvature in photos to be evidence for that. LIT, if I may ask a question.... do you think that perhaps the earth is not flat after all? The reason I'm asking is that you seem to be saying several thing in several threads, that look to me that you are unconvinced. Not just unconvinced about the nature of the map. But unconvinced that the earth is flat at all. If this is not so, and I'm wrong, please do forgive me. But you did make a comment in another thread, about Eric Dubay and Mark Sargent maybe both just being psy-op agents to test how gullible people could be with the "earth is flat" stuff when the earth is obviously a ball. So I just wanted to ask this. Again forgive me please if I am way off.
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Post by LIT on Apr 10, 2015 14:44:32 GMT
Acenci, seriously. Don't you think it is retarded if you want to hide something from the masses to give them a video which shows there is no curvature? That is not playing devil's advocate, that is common sense. If someone is hiding something and they control the access to this kind of information they surely will not show you footage from space which helps the flat Earth theory. Apparently, the video was shot and no one cared if someone out there would think it is evidence for flat Earth, because they don't consider the lack of curvature in photos to be evidence for that. LIT, if I may ask a question.... do you think that perhaps the earth is not flat after all? The reason I'm asking is that you seem to be saying several thing in several threads, that look to me that you are unconvinced. Not just unconvinced about the nature of the map. But unconvinced that the earth is flat at all. If this is not so, and I'm wrong, please do forgive me. But you did make a comment in another thread, about Eric Dubay and Mark Sargent maybe both just being psy-op agents to test how gullible people could be with the "earth is flat" stuff when the earth is obviously a ball. So I just wanted to ask this. Again forgive me please if I am way off. One shouldn't be absolutely convinced about such things unless they have absolutely strong evidence. I don't. So yes, I am not convinced. Should I be? These ideas are not about what one believes but about evidence. Actually, it seems that many people who claim to have evidence are lying, so it doesn't really help the cause, does it? Of course, that is what they are doing(Eric and Mark) if they try to prove flat Earth by using fake arguments. I see a lot of people parroting unthinkingly.If they were on a quest for the truth they would admit they might be wrong. Otherwise, it is fanaticism. I feel duped and offended that I have seriously considered their arguments. After carefully watching Mark's videos and reading Eric's comments I am almost convinced that this is some sort of a joke.If it is not a joke than the guys are quite confused and can't tell facts from fiction. The dangerous thing is that they mix facts and fiction, so ultimately they can really act like disinfo agents. I don't know what the Earth's shape is, but certainly I won't trust Eric, Mark, Matt Boylan or Zhib Rhan. It is just gullible to think that there is a huge conspiracy covering up pretty much everything, but at the same time Eric and Mark fight against it and they will tell you the truth, because they figured it out. How exactly do they know? Okay, maybe they are right, maybe they are not. Why should I be convinced?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 14:55:25 GMT
Because of the curvature formula. That is my watertight argument. If you are not convinced by that, you might as well join fakeologist and say that JFK was not assassinated -- all due respect to his theory, but then we don't even know if our parents are really our parents and what is my name, and why should I use my five senses. Sorry to have disrupted your exchange, but I think I am not off-topic for once. By the way, I plan to involve as many members as possible in making a YouTube film together, maybe on the curvature formula or on any other watertight proofs they have of flat earth: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/83/youtube-video
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Post by LIT on Apr 10, 2015 15:12:36 GMT
Because of the curvature formula. That is my watertight argument. If you are not convinced by that, you might as well join fakeologist and say that JFK was not assassinated -- all due respect to his theory, but then we don't even know if our parents are really our parents and what is my name, and why should I use my five senses. Sorry to have disrupted your exchange, but I think I am not off-topic for once. By the way, I plan to involve as many members as possible in making a YouTube film together, maybe on the curvature formula or on any other watertight proofs they have of flat earth: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/83/youtube-videoYes, actually that is the strongest argument in favor of flat Earth. Could you please explain to me then why the so-called flat Earth specialists like Eric, Mark etc etc focus on other bullshit arguments if their goal is not disinformation? Let's focus on the curvature formula then and all the evidence suggesting that stuff is still visible when it shouldn't be, hence the Earth is not a globe. That is quite straightforward and it doesn't need any bullshitting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 15:30:53 GMT
Why do they add less provable information? They want to be stars. The curvature formula + lighthouses data (ranges and heights) amounts to just 2 Wikipedia links, and you won't become a star because of providing those two links. By the way, it is all here: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/11/curvature-formula
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Post by LIT on Apr 10, 2015 15:34:29 GMT
flat earth truthExactly, it seems their goal is to become popular even if it means not sticking to the facts.
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Post by matt on Apr 10, 2015 15:34:37 GMT
I had some thoughts on this I wanted to put out there. Being on this forum has caused me to see things in a different way, I think.
Here is a quote I saw in a movie recently: “Some men think the Earth is round, others think it flat; it is a matter capable of question. But, if it is flat, will the King's command make it round? And, if it is round, will the King's command flatten it?” St. Thomas More (1500’s England) Perhaps they were debating this question back then as well?
When I first heard about the FE theory, I found it fascinating. I had learned about and solidly accepted the Geocentric Theory as being true over a year ago because of a film that had been released, “The Principle”. I thought it completely turned physics and astronomy on its head and at the same time, appreciated how it harmonized with my faith - strengthened it. There were many passages in the Bible that finally made better sense to me. But the more I learned about the Copernican principle and the Galileo affair, and after reading an online book called, “Earth Movers”, I also became more convinced that there was something far more sinister behind all this.
So when I came across Flat Earth Theory, I was already prepared with the basics of a stationary earth, but was dumbfounded at the concept of the earth being flat. But I was very open, nonetheless. But the more I read, listened and observed others who promoted this theory, something else happened. I saw more and more people - experts, if you will - who had contempt for Jesus Christ, either despising Him or reducing Him to some mere “figure” or “myth”. The last forum I was on seemed to be loaded with this kind of dark, oppressive spirit, whether in the “religious” context, or the crude language or the aggressive attitudes they portrayed to those who disagreed with the “party line” so-to-speak. And there really is a “party line” no matter what they try to convince you of.
I want to be clear, I am not trying to push a viewpoint on those who do not agree with my religious point of view, and I certainly do not intend to offend anyone, so if my language is not what I am hoping it is, please tell me!
But I found it harder to believe that people who displayed these negative and aggressive traits could be sincerely interested in the truth or even have the truth. There was a sincerity or perhaps a humility lacking there for the truth to even plant itself. I found it becoming an obstacle to accepting the FE theory because of the lack of humility and charity I found with those promoting it. I also found a very deep paranoia running throughout and what seemed to be a contempt for all authority everywhere. It almost seemed that the earth was flat "because of what was being hid from us", rather than "these very strong points and experiments point to this truth about the earth." The conspiracy element seemed to overwhelm the "proofs" I guess. I don't find that here. I find a very healthy lively skepticism which I think is necessary to "prove" a theory.
Even though here there are divergent “world views” if you will, there is a sincerity and respect and civility that is what is best in our humanity. There are no experts here, but average people who are trying to find the truth about this. What do we have to lose? Nothing really. I would rather believe in the truth, even if it disappointed my current idea, rather than believe in and promote a lie.
I am still quite open to FE theory, but am happy that we are also working hard to test and try the theory to find holes in it. I think there are points about it that still hold my attention, while other points seem to be lesser arguments, or sometimes actually work contrary to the believability of the theory.
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Post by honesttruthseeker on Apr 10, 2015 16:28:26 GMT
Hi Matt.
That is the exact reason I left IFERS. Eric was so against Jesus and Christianity that even when I showed him being wrong, he was still unmoved in his position.
Nevermind. I am also not very convinced that the earth is flat. I need to find more evidence. The best argument in favour of a flat earth would be the curvature formula, but this needs to be tested. We can't just rely on people 100 years ago who have tested this. We have to test it for ourselves.
The best argument against would be, in my opinion the star trails. If you google it, the star trails is very different in northern hemisphere, equator and the southern hemisphere.
I think we should focus more on the evidence and speculate less.
For instance, we don't have to come out with a model of a flat Earth and explain everything. Let's just focus on the evidence we have and see if it holds.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 16:52:52 GMT
Wise words, matt and honesttruthseeker. Speaking of the curvature formula, I had started a thread wondering if we could all collaborate on a YouTube flat earth video together, to build some ties and strengthen the community through a binding experience: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/83/youtube-videoThe only person who replied to me about it is tetstruthtube, who makes videos on a regular basis and has told me he will help us with the editing and soundtracks. If no one else will join the joint effort, I will start working precisely on what I've always considered my personal watertight proof that the earth is flat, that is the curvature formula and its discrepancy with videos and pictures of the horizon. At the bottom of the video we will place a link (besides to all resources used) to this forum, so to increase the membership and avoid the risk of extinction. I will now go on that thread and start gathering materials and ideas to use in the video.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 23:08:50 GMT
and why should I use my five senses. This is where I'm at. I'm going to go with my senses, because I don't feel that I can trust practically any claim on anything from the "establishment".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 1:37:17 GMT
Well, no way anyone or thing was up 143KM. Just more double and triple layered lies and nonsense.
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