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Post by LIT on Mar 27, 2015 16:02:32 GMT
The following quote is from Eric Dubay's forum and the thread Sun over AntarcticaHow exactly is the Sun not visible from the Antarctic circle around the summer solstice? The summer solstice in the southern hemisphere occurs between December 20 and 23rd. Actually, the days are the longest around that period. The very opposite of what Eric wrongly puts forward. The other claim about the days being shorter is not evidenced at all. I just don't understand where Eric gets his information apart from his own fantasies. You can't simply declare something to be true if you can't back it up. An additional lie is the claim that there is only one video of the midnight Sun from Antarctica. There are many videos! I can't say if they are fake, but there are videos. There are also people who have visited Antarctica, and not just scientists! Are all people pretending? Are they all confused? I am not sure why the flat Earth idea should necessarily be tied with the idea that Antarctica is the ice rim. It is easier that way, but it is also easier to debunk it. Obviously, that approach brings us nowhere. For more than a hundred years the so-called FE map is the symbol of the flat Earth community even though it is inherently wrong. If anyone has better ideas for a map please come forward and let's discuss it. However, the current one is easily debunkable. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 20:32:20 GMT
The following quote is from Eric Dubay's forum and the thread Sun over AntarcticaHow exactly is the Sun not visible from the Antarctic circle around the summer solstice? The summer solstice in the southern hemisphere occurs between December 20 and 23rd. Actually, the days are the longest around that period. The very opposite of what Eric wrongly puts forward. The other claim about the days being shorter is not evidenced at all. I just don't understand where Eric gets his information apart from his own fantasies. You can't simply declare something to be true if you can't back it up. An additional lie is the claim that there is only one video of the midnight Sun from Antarctica. There are many videos! I can't say if they are fake, but there are videos. There are also people who have visited Antarctica, and not just scientists! Are all people pretending? Are they all confused? I am not sure why the flat Earth idea should necessarily be tied with the idea that Antarctica is the ice rim. It is easier that way, but it is also easier to debunk it. Obviously, that approach brings us nowhere. For more than a hundred years the so-called FE map is the symbol of the flat Earth community even though it is inherently wrong. If anyone has better ideas for a map please come forward and let's discuss it. However, the current one is easily debunkable. I'm still convinced of the Antarctica ring surrounding the earth. Not because of Eric. But because of the flight patterns of airplanes, and because of the hush-hush that governments put upon Antarctica, and a few other things as well. |
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Post by LIT on Mar 30, 2015 20:54:45 GMT
The following quote is from Eric Dubay's forum and the thread Sun over AntarcticaHow exactly is the Sun not visible from the Antarctic circle around the summer solstice? The summer solstice in the southern hemisphere occurs between December 20 and 23rd. Actually, the days are the longest around that period. The very opposite of what Eric wrongly puts forward. The other claim about the days being shorter is not evidenced at all. I just don't understand where Eric gets his information apart from his own fantasies. You can't simply declare something to be true if you can't back it up. An additional lie is the claim that there is only one video of the midnight Sun from Antarctica. There are many videos! I can't say if they are fake, but there are videos. There are also people who have visited Antarctica, and not just scientists! Are all people pretending? Are they all confused? I am not sure why the flat Earth idea should necessarily be tied with the idea that Antarctica is the ice rim. It is easier that way, but it is also easier to debunk it. Obviously, that approach brings us nowhere. For more than a hundred years the so-called FE map is the symbol of the flat Earth community even though it is inherently wrong. If anyone has better ideas for a map please come forward and let's discuss it. However, the current one is easily debunkable. I'm still convinced of the Antarctica ring surrounding the earth. Not because of Eric. But because of the flight patterns of airplanes, and because of the hush-hush that governments put upon Antarctica, and a few other things as well. That is entirely possible, but the map can't be correct as it currently is. I am actually wondering whether Antarctica is a single continent at all. What if it is several big islands? Just an idea. Beyond those islands we might have the pillars of the dome. As for the hush-hush, I think you can go to Antarctica, I know someone who did. It has been visited by many people actually. I mentioned somewhere that as of 2010 around 1400 mountain climbers attempted to climb Mt Vinson (the highest peak in Antarctica). The guy I know is a climber too. This is just one of many groups of people who visit it for various reasons. You can even get a job at the South pole as a cook at the Amundsen-Scott station  So, if it is a hoax it still must be a real land. Maybe it is not that big or it is separate islands spread around the disc? There is always the possibility that everyone who supposedly visited is a liar, but somehow this doesn't sound plausible to me at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 21:35:08 GMT
I'm still convinced of the Antarctica ring surrounding the earth. Not because of Eric. But because of the flight patterns of airplanes, and because of the hush-hush that governments put upon Antarctica, and a few other things as well. That is entirely possible, but the map can't be correct as it currently is. I am actually wondering whether Antarctica is a single continent at all. What if it is several big islands? Just an idea. Beyond those islands we might have the pillars of the dome. As for the hush-hush, I think you can go to Antarctica, I know someone who did. It has been visited by many people actually. I mentioned somewhere that as of 2010 around 1400 mountain climbers attempted to climb Mt Vinson (the highest peak in Antarctica). The guy I know is a climber too. This is just one of many groups of people who visit it for various reasons. You can even get a job at the South pole as a cook at the Amundsen-Scott station So, if it is a hoax it still must be a real land. Maybe it is not that big or it is separate islands spread around the disc? There is always the possibility that everyone who supposedly visited is a liar, but somehow this doesn't sound plausible to me at all. Yes, I do believe that the map as we see it, is not on the mark. There is something going on, that is being hidden. That always made sense for me, regarding them hiding the flat earth as it is. I do believe there is a barrier, as in, you can't get off the "edge" if you wanted to. It's called "Antarctica" by many for lack of a better term, but really that word is lifted from the ball earth "continent" they claim is there on the bottom. So research is the key! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 3:25:32 GMT
The "barrier" could very well be that there IS NO barrier, and that after a certain point the temp drops too far to travel, and the earth just continues on out. We do not know how big the earth is.
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Post by zero11s on Mar 31, 2015 3:52:40 GMT
The "barrier" could very well be that there IS NO barrier, and that after a certain point the temp drops too far to travel, and the earth just continues on out. We do not know how big the earth is. Or it´s a mental barrier. Maybe you die or go crazy over there who knows? It could also depend on your intentions. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 3:54:46 GMT
A buddy of mine put this image together based on what we discussed from the Bible:  |
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Post by zero11s on Mar 31, 2015 4:49:26 GMT
Could this be the answer to the Star movements and the Ball Earth?
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Post by LIT on Mar 31, 2015 9:49:55 GMT
The "barrier" could very well be that there IS NO barrier, and that after a certain point the temp drops too far to travel, and the earth just continues on out. We do not know how big the earth is. Yeah, I have been thinking along these lines too. Not only that the temps could drop, but also we might end up in a region with no Sun at all. Having no Sun, Moon or stars in the sky it is impossible to navigate. The Earth might be much bigger. The "barrier" might be the idea that we have accepted that the Earth is a certain limited size. It is also at least hypothetically possible that other regions are reserved for parallel civilizations, but that is already very speculative I should have posted this in "Wild speculations". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:48:38 GMT
A buddy of mine put this image together based on what we discussed from the Bible: I like that picture, and it lines up with just taking the Bible at face value. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 16:47:18 GMT
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Post by w0w on Apr 3, 2015 11:21:33 GMT
Why are you treating Dubay as if he had any credibility? He doesn't know what he's talking about himself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:12:33 GMT
Why are you treating Dubay as if he had any credibility? He doesn't know what he's talking about himself. I'm beginning to think this is true. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:30:37 GMT
We appreciated him until 2 weeks ago. Why should the fact that he treated us so badly affect what we think of his research? Let's be rational. If we liked his research and videos before, there's no reason why we should stop liking them now that he's proven to be paranoid.
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Post by zero11s on Apr 3, 2015 12:50:51 GMT
We appreciated him until 2 weeks ago. Why should the fact that he treated us so badly affect what we think of his research? How do you know it is his research and he is not just a controlled opposition? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:54:11 GMT
I don't know for sure, but the fact that he so mean to people, as he was with us, makes me opt for the "paranoia" and "poor interpersonal skills" hypothesis. He is obviously mad at a lot of people. His signature should not be "Peace", but "Anger". And people who are angry like this do not seem agents to me. Agents don't seem to me people who would take things so personally, or who would have the temper that he has.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 12:54:16 GMT
We appreciated him until 2 weeks ago. Why should the fact that he treated us so badly affect what we think of his research? How do you know it is his research and he is not just a controlled opposition? Yes, zero11s. This was the thought that has been coming to me over the last few days. He might be hijacking true flat earth research, to drag people into horrid lies about other topics. Or he might be inaccurate about some things he says about the flat earth, even. It wasn't actually Eric that led me to believe it, anyway. It was Matt Boylan. Eric posted the video of Matt speaking, but, that's as far as it went. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 3, 2015 13:02:48 GMT
Deep the Flat Earth Rabbit hole is.  |
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Post by biggles2015 on Apr 5, 2015 7:29:46 GMT
Hi
Discussion seems to go in circles. Can I summarise the situation and suggest a way forward?
- The earth is stationary (does not rotate) and flat; as supported by our own personal empirical observations.
- This knowledge is hidden as it benefits a certain minority of people in society; who want to maintain the status quo.
- Proving that the earth is flat (and thus has a creator) will change society for the better in one day. eg. No more wars.
- Thus this is really a religious and power debate; based on our perception of the physical world & reality.
- The current flat earth maps and maps of the earth as a sphere are both wrong. But we don't know how.
- Thus we need to think laterally, re-evaluate all our assumptions and brainstorm ideas.
- Antarctica continent is real; But it holds one of the keys to unravelling the mystery.
- The flat earth map holds except for the fact that commercial airlines now fly directly (without fuel stops) the southern hemisphere oceans; (eg. NZ - Chile). as if the earth were a sphere.
- There is no way of tracking commercial airlines flight routes across the southern hemisphere oceans; eg. GPS.
- GPS & USGS are government controlled, and thus unreliable.
- Thus these the southern hemisphere oceans also hold another key to the solution.
- As the earth is flat. Then there is a creator. Thus anything is possible. The creator could have made the earth in any way desired, without regard to what we know of the laws of physics, time, gravity, ...... So keep an open mind. Entertain any ridiculous idea and see where it goes. For now I am sticking with the idea of nothing supernatural. That the earth is a stable and physical system.
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- Get children involved to brainstorm solutions. Children have been least brain washed and think laterally better than adults.
- Look for simple solutions; occams razor.
- Re-visit religious text & scripture for ideas.
- Look for clues from how the stars, moon and sun move.
- Focus attention on Antarctica and the southern hemisphere oceans.
- Do not idolise anyone in this forum; including people like Dubay. There are no leaders here.
- I have access to the Royal Geographic Society (London) map room; I plan to visit it to look for ideas sometime soon. They have stuff there on the Antarctic that it is not available to the general public. Send me any ideas of this to look at that you may have.
- Double check with people we know personally (who are not freemasons) that commercial airlines really do fly directly (without fuel stops) the southern hemisphere oceans; (eg. NZ - Chile), as if the earth were a sphere.
- Encourage people with inside knowledge to whistle blow.
Ultimately we need an explanation of a flat earth that can be tested and verified.
Does this help?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 9:35:36 GMT
Yes, thanks for the detailed feedback. Keep writing and register if you wish.
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Post by biggles2015 on Apr 5, 2015 9:45:22 GMT
Oh, one additional comment: People have proved that the earth is not a sphere rotating rapidly in space based on physics, observations, .... Proving what the earth is flat is a totally separate exercise and the next step to discovering our reality. It is easier to argue with people if you separate these two debates. For example, if we cannot produce an accurate map of the flat earth; this does not mean that the earth is a sphere.
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Post by Guest on Apr 6, 2015 23:48:34 GMT
Boylan suggests there are multiple sun like systems with more land to be discovered
Sargent suggests we are enclosed in a dome like system with a wall or something. Not sure he even knows what he is suggesting
Dubay... Didn't get that far into his research before he banned me
His statements about Gravity being more about density than a magnetic force is sensible
A lot of good reasons to look away from Dubay but curious what he has come up with that most agree upon?
I would like more info on Antarctica and the way the stars appear in Southern Hemisphere
If the same southern stars appear on opposite sides of a flat earth, then that needs a good logical explanation that I have not seen yet
Would also like to see Boylan get his discovery trip south although I think that would end in his death with no answers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 0:52:05 GMT
Boylan suggests there are multiple sun like systems with more land to be discovered Sargent suggests we are enclosed in a dome like system with a wall or something. Not sure he even knows what he is suggesting Dubay... Didn't get that far into his research before he banned me His statements about Gravity being more about density than a magnetic force is sensible A lot of good reasons to look away from Dubay but curious what he has come up with that most agree upon? I would like more info on Antarctica and the way the stars appear in Southern Hemisphere If the same southern stars appear on opposite sides of a flat earth, then that needs a good logical explanation that I have not seen yet Would also like to see Boylan get his discovery trip south although I think that would end in his death with no answers. Hi, there. Yes, I thought Boylan was very off in that suggestion about "multiple sun/land systems". There is no reason to believe that. Many of us over here were also banned by Eric, for no reason at all. It is very peaceable here, and you can freely talk about the flat earth issues, and there's some good research going on here. I'm sure someone will come and address the southern stars question. |
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Post by flatearthing on May 15, 2015 15:25:49 GMT
This conversation is going the right way seeing Dubay is right about flat earth but his personal reasons for promoting it are suspicious. Carry on flat earth people. Question everything!
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Post by broken arrow on May 15, 2015 16:16:14 GMT
How do you know he is right about flat earth? I would say he is not.
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Post by LIT on May 26, 2015 17:17:46 GMT
Here is something Eric said:  This is classic disinformation. Of course, you will see the horizon rising to the eye level, but that would be up to a point. The notion that it always rises is just uncorroborated. He wishes it to be true, but doesn't have any evidence. In fact, people could see slight curvature from the Concorde planes while they were still in operation... Additionally, even from a regular plane you don't see the land at eye level, but you see the clouds, so again, he is just making up stuff. |
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So, if it is a hoax it still must be a real land. Maybe it is not that big or it is separate islands spread around the disc? There is always the possibility that everyone who supposedly visited is a liar, but somehow this doesn't sound plausible to me at all.
