Post by cal on Dec 18, 2015 19:44:58 GMT
PhilipM said:
Actually airlines do know what the shortest flight routes are -- great-circle distances.
LIT replied:
Actually, Acenci is correct. Concave earth is not only feasible it is correct. Even though the LSC is obnoxious, he is correct. And this is why he is correct. However, he is incorrect when he says that concave earth theory has no flaws. It does, and he will not admit it. The concave earth CAN be considered to be flat in that it is an ellipsoid of revolution expanded to infinity (almost) so that its sides are essentially flat. But the LSC does not want to hear of this, as I have demonstrated on his forum. Perhaps admittedly such would mean that he is wrong, and then he wouldn't be able to LORD it over everyone (pun intended)! And using his corollary, if he is wrong on the concave/flat earth then he is probably wrong on the LORD Christ part, and probably wrong on the prophecy part!! LOL!
I hope Acenci will not mind the repetition here, as I posted the following on his forum.
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From the Free Speech and Respect thread...
Acenci,
We might have a problem.
Acenci's original post
February 26, 2015, 03:10:30 AM
Acenci, I think you were right when you posted this on The Flat Earth Society forum. And no wonder you were kicked off of it. You were right and they couldn't have too much truth and unanswered questions.
I checked out the Flight Manager link you provided which does indeed show that the flight time from Sydney, Australia (SYD) to Santiago, Chile (SCL) is 13 hours and 35 minutes at 460 knots. At the 12.5 hour stated flight time the speed would be 490.8 knots which is in line with the long range maximum cruising speed of 490 knots. The Boeing 747-400 has a maximum cruising speed of 507 knots. Boeing Maximum Cruising Speed
Then I checked the distances for both a round earth and a flat earth with my spreadsheet. See the attached file for a screen print of the calculations.
For the latitudes and longitudes of the two locations my calculator shows the distance of a flat disc earth (FE) and a round/spherical earth (RE). The flat earth is calculated using a flat plane and Cartesian coordinates, whereas the spherical earth surface distance is calculated using the standard earth radius and spherical trigonometry. My distance for a round earth is 6,129.85 nautical miles compared to 6,135.01 n.m., whereas for a flat earth the distance is over twice that or 13,880.96 nautical miles.
Therefore the speed of an airplane from SYD to SCL on a flat earth would be 13,880.96 n.m / 12.5 hours = 1,110.5 knots. Houston, we have a problem. The maximum cruising speed of a Boeing 747-400 is only 507 knots! It's maximum range is only 7,284 nautical miles--only half of the distance!
Airlines could save billions if FE was correct and they adjusted routes to fit.
LIT replied:
Acenci, I think concave earth is not feasible, because the Earth would overheat. Not to mention that it is kind of weird to have all the universe inside such a small concavity.
I hope Acenci will not mind the repetition here, as I posted the following on his forum.
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From the Free Speech and Respect thread...
Acenci,
We might have a problem.
To my fellow flat earthers, we might have a problem:
February 26, 2015, 03:10:30 AM
I found this problematic flight for our theory, in that from Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile) this direct flight only takes 12 hours and 30 minutes, which seems in line with the spherical earth theory.
Please help me out, because I can't find an explanation for this, although I am still convinced of the earth being flat. The curvature formula vs. the photos and videos proves to me that the earth is flat, but this flight (the only one in contrast with our theory) poses a problem that we need to solve.
This, too, seems to confirm that the flight takes as much time as it can only take with a spherical earth:
Flight Manager
Quote
Time and Distance Calculator Results
Departure Location
Name: Arturo Merino Benitez Intl
IATA: SCL
ICAO: SCEL
Santiago, Chile
Latitude: 33°23' 40" S
Longitude: 70°47' 38" W
Elevation: 1555 (Feet) Arrival Location
Name: Sydney Intl
IATA: SYD
ICAO: YSSY
Sydney, Australia
Latitude: 33°56' 46" S
Longitude: 151°10' 38" E
Elevation: 21 (Feet)
Distance: 6,135.01 (NM) / 7,061.55 (MI) / 11,362.04 (KM)
Trip Time: 13:35 (includes 15 minute bias and air speed at 460Kts)
Please help me out, because I can't find an explanation for this, although I am still convinced of the earth being flat. The curvature formula vs. the photos and videos proves to me that the earth is flat, but this flight (the only one in contrast with our theory) poses a problem that we need to solve.
This, too, seems to confirm that the flight takes as much time as it can only take with a spherical earth:
Flight Manager
Quote
Time and Distance Calculator Results
Departure Location
Name: Arturo Merino Benitez Intl
IATA: SCL
ICAO: SCEL
Santiago, Chile
Latitude: 33°23' 40" S
Longitude: 70°47' 38" W
Elevation: 1555 (Feet) Arrival Location
Name: Sydney Intl
IATA: SYD
ICAO: YSSY
Sydney, Australia
Latitude: 33°56' 46" S
Longitude: 151°10' 38" E
Elevation: 21 (Feet)
Distance: 6,135.01 (NM) / 7,061.55 (MI) / 11,362.04 (KM)
Trip Time: 13:35 (includes 15 minute bias and air speed at 460Kts)
I mean, we do have a problem. The amount of shills on this forum seemed to confirm to me the flat earth, but now I realize that they may all be people who love science and enjoy arguing. Or people who like ganging up on minorities. But... we do have a problem.
The curvature formula (when compared to existing pictures and videos) still proves flat earth, but we definitely need to debunk this flight.
And if we cannot debunk this flight, and these flights do exist and they go as fast as they claim, flying over the path they claim, then we need to revise our official flat earth map:
The curvature formula (when compared to existing pictures and videos) still proves flat earth, but we definitely need to debunk this flight.
And if we cannot debunk this flight, and these flights do exist and they go as fast as they claim, flying over the path they claim, then we need to revise our official flat earth map:
Flat-earthers, this flight seems to exist and so our mainstream flat-earth map must be wrong. Let us quickly address this problem and find a solution. Please someone answer me. This is not acceptable. And the famous UN map, which supposedly represents the real flat earth map, must be wrong, too.
Now, if the flight exists, and if it does fly at the regular cruising speed, then how does this fit into the following map?
Now, if the flight exists, and if it does fly at the regular cruising speed, then how does this fit into the following map?
So it is time to take this map off this web site and off all the videos that mention it, which is practically all of them.
Mainstream flat-earthers, either debunk this flight or tell me what the new map looks like. You cannot have spent years on this web site and not have an answer. Either this flight is fake, and please show me, or the map is wrong.
Why is there still on the web a screwed up map bearing the signature of the Flat Earth Society? Is this like Alex Jones, a cointelpro operation, where you pretend to be the opposition and try to mislead the opposition?
This would be just hilarious. Shills on the right, shills on the left, and shills in the guerrilla, too. Shills all over the place.
Mainstream flat-earthers, either debunk this flight or tell me what the new map looks like. You cannot have spent years on this web site and not have an answer. Either this flight is fake, and please show me, or the map is wrong.
Why is there still on the web a screwed up map bearing the signature of the Flat Earth Society? Is this like Alex Jones, a cointelpro operation, where you pretend to be the opposition and try to mislead the opposition?
This would be just hilarious. Shills on the right, shills on the left, and shills in the guerrilla, too. Shills all over the place.
Acenci, I think you were right when you posted this on The Flat Earth Society forum. And no wonder you were kicked off of it. You were right and they couldn't have too much truth and unanswered questions.
I checked out the Flight Manager link you provided which does indeed show that the flight time from Sydney, Australia (SYD) to Santiago, Chile (SCL) is 13 hours and 35 minutes at 460 knots. At the 12.5 hour stated flight time the speed would be 490.8 knots which is in line with the long range maximum cruising speed of 490 knots. The Boeing 747-400 has a maximum cruising speed of 507 knots. Boeing Maximum Cruising Speed
Then I checked the distances for both a round earth and a flat earth with my spreadsheet. See the attached file for a screen print of the calculations.
For the latitudes and longitudes of the two locations my calculator shows the distance of a flat disc earth (FE) and a round/spherical earth (RE). The flat earth is calculated using a flat plane and Cartesian coordinates, whereas the spherical earth surface distance is calculated using the standard earth radius and spherical trigonometry. My distance for a round earth is 6,129.85 nautical miles compared to 6,135.01 n.m., whereas for a flat earth the distance is over twice that or 13,880.96 nautical miles.
Therefore the speed of an airplane from SYD to SCL on a flat earth would be 13,880.96 n.m / 12.5 hours = 1,110.5 knots. Houston, we have a problem. The maximum cruising speed of a Boeing 747-400 is only 507 knots! It's maximum range is only 7,284 nautical miles--only half of the distance!
