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Post by LIT on Apr 15, 2015 9:07:53 GMT
aliveandkickingOn the water theory: We have something called light scattering. Basically, the air/water molecules do deflect the light path, and not only that! When we observe objects from a distance their light mixes with the light coming from the objects on its path, so it is clear that the light coming from the hull of a ship will blend in with the light coming from the water right in front of it,and you will not see the hull, but you will see water. The surrounding incoming light is basically eating out the object in it.
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Post by LIT on Apr 15, 2015 9:11:30 GMT
aliveandkickingYeah, I know about that. I tried to argue earlier that this is a problem for flat Earth theory, however, no one took it seriously. People said that the same effect happens on a disc. Obviously, there are a lot of issues that should be dealt with. That is why we have many categories. This category is about the flight distances. Anyway, I gave you a basic explanation of my "pet theory" concerning water surfaces and things "sinking below the horizon". We really derailed this thread, didn't we?
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 15, 2015 9:18:05 GMT
aliveandkickingYeah, I know about that. I tried to argue earlier that this is a problem for flat Earth theory, however, no one took it seriously. People said that the same effect happens on a disc. Obviously, there are a lot of issues that should be dealt with. That is why we have many categories. This category is about the flight distances. Anyway, I gave you a basic explanation of my "pet theory" concerning water surfaces and things "sinking below the horizon". We really derailed this thread, didn't we? well we could talk about your rocket in a vacuum ideas but i saw you already conceded before i arrived it was possible to propel the rocket by throwing material out the back  and only limited by the amount of fuel on board available to throw out the back Presumably the stars are also a problem for FET for you? How about the distance to the moon? How far away is it in FET? |
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Post by LIT on Apr 15, 2015 9:49:46 GMT
aliveandkickingEverything is problematic and hasn't been explained well. By the way, this is not a forum where we stick to FET. This is not the Flat Earth Society. We're discussing freely all ideas, there is no theory we need to stick to. We're just looking for explanations which work or don't. I can't answer your questions. I doubt anyone can. Science provides answers, but we're here to look for alternatives.
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 15, 2015 11:49:06 GMT
 Lit, In my opinion when we Zoom in with a camera, is a different thing that going there to the place where the object is. When we zoom in we just aproximate (enlarge) the image we are already seeing. That's why a ship or a cliff continues to be "under" the horizon line. or vanishing point. That's why after the sunset we won't never get the sun back with camera zooming or telescope. "Zooming in" can not change the vanishing point position from our perspective. "Zooming in" cannot recover the BLINDSPOTS of our composed image. |
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Post by phoenixthezetete on Apr 15, 2015 15:11:58 GMT
So when it comes to the flight times, do we have anything closer to an answer for the flat earth position than 'all maps are wrong'?
I admit that the flight from South America to Australia puzzles me. The flat earth maps would have to be VERY wrong for that to be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 15:18:21 GMT
So when it comes to the flight times, do we have anything closer to an answer for the flat earth position than 'all maps are wrong'? I admit that the flight from South America to Australia puzzles me. The flat earth maps would have to be VERY wrong for that to be the case. The answer is that the continents are fatter and closer together than any map is giving us indication. This was what Matt Boylan said, that when he was shown the truth of what the world looks like, there was much more land, especially in the southern "hemisphere", than anyone knows about. So the maps are very wrong, but the general layout is accurate. |
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Post by phoenixthezetete on Apr 15, 2015 16:33:06 GMT
So when it comes to the flight times, do we have anything closer to an answer for the flat earth position than 'all maps are wrong'? I admit that the flight from South America to Australia puzzles me. The flat earth maps would have to be VERY wrong for that to be the case. The answer is that the continents are fatter and closer together than any map is giving us indication. This was what Matt Boylan said, that when he was shown the truth of what the world looks like, there was much more land, especially in the southern "hemisphere", than anyone knows about. So the maps are very wrong, but the general layout is accurate. Fair enough, I think that is the best I have heard. |
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Post by mostlyharmless on Apr 24, 2015 7:11:39 GMT
The answer is that the continents are fatter and closer together than any map is giving us indication. This was what Matt Boylan said, that when he was shown the truth of what the world looks like, there was much more land, especially in the southern "hemisphere", than anyone knows about. So the maps are very wrong, but the general layout is accurate. Fair enough, I think that is the best I have heard. The real question is, why bother? Why would people continue to pretend that the earth is round, why would no one ever admit that it wasn't, and how would they manage to hide continents from the world (in the southern hemisphere)? Not just how, but why? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 7:17:55 GMT
Oh, the why is simple. I can answer this, too. First I need you to take a look at this thread and acknowledge the existence of demons: serendipitous.boards.net/thread/24/devil-demonsOnce you get through that stage, you also understand that this world is controlled by Lucifer (the boss of the demons helping the demon magicians in the videos I posted there), who directs everything (he also possesses people. see the videos about possessed musicians and the videos about possessed presidents, notably the Bushes). He is the head of a conspiracy... against God, obviously. So he's been plotting to debunk God for centuries, and he has planted into the Education system and academia lies such as the Big Bang theory, Evolution and a spherical earth. At least this is my personal opinion, and, since this is a free speech forum, I can write it. |
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Post by LIT on May 6, 2015 8:40:20 GMT
Here is what nonsense our friends at IFERS post:  How can anyone suggest that a regular flight is fake? I am serious. This is what makes people interested in flat Earth appear absolute looneys. Besides the flights they mention there are also regular ship routes between South Africa and Australia. Not to mention that they compare the flat Earth map with the Mercator map, which is just manipulative. The Mercator map is distorted. |
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Post by zero11s on May 6, 2015 9:05:24 GMT
well freeanergy says that we are in a space loop on a Map with 4 Corners
how you know the earth is a square
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Post by aliveandkicking on May 6, 2015 12:43:30 GMT
well freeanergy says that we are in a space loop on a Map with 4 Corners how you know the earth is a square The video is wrong The stars do not travel along the horizon at the equator. At the equator they are going at right angles to the horizon. The only place they are parallel to the equator is the north and south poles. to navigate you measure the angle between the horizon and the centre of the rotating star field to get your North or South latitude. It is impossible to navigate using a flat earth model. To be a flat earther you have to refuse to learn how to navigate and refuse to learn simple maths and simple physics. Essentially you have to be brainwashed into not knowing any better |
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Post by LIT on May 6, 2015 12:52:53 GMT
aliveandkickingIt is actually much easier. You just need to trust those who are attacked for being wrong, as zero11s mentioned in another thread. That is a great approach. If someone is ignorant, uneducated and wrong go ahead and trust them.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 12:53:10 GMT
ifers.boards.net/post/6076/threadHi all, I have just join up and have just resently come to the realisation that the earth is flat. I am a pilot so this is a new one to me. I am keen to get a acurate scale copy of the flat earth so I can do some calculation on flights parths etc. Can anyone help me with obtaining a good accurate map please. and yes I cant spell. thanks
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Post by LIT on May 6, 2015 12:56:31 GMT
Hahah, yeah, I am a pilot too.
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Post by aliveandkicking on May 6, 2015 13:11:04 GMT
ifers.boards.net/post/6076/threadMyself and a friend of mine are very spirital. and both of us have had personal dealings with the true controllers of this reality ( holigram)  |
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Post by LIT on May 6, 2015 13:22:02 GMT
Yeah, the guy is definitely a pilot (of a toy plane).
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Post by zero11s on May 6, 2015 21:51:32 GMT
well freeanergy says that we are in a space loop on a Map with 4 Corners how you know the earth is a square To be a flat earther you have to refuse to learn how to navigate and refuse to learn simple maths and simple physics. Essentially you have to be brainwashed into not knowing any better Well I won´t go into a discussion here as if I did that you would just create another fantasy world based on "maths and physics". |
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Post by aliveandkicking on May 7, 2015 5:25:02 GMT
To be a flat earther you have to refuse to learn how to navigate and refuse to learn simple maths and simple physics. Essentially you have to be brainwashed into not knowing any better Well I won´t go into a discussion here as if I did that you would just create another fantasy world based on "maths and physics". I am supposing you are faith based. Which is fine as long as it does not harm others. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 19:06:27 GMT
Another pilot: ifers.boards.net/post/6472/thread1st pict: We're flying around 90nm from the North pole. 2nd pict: Around 50nm. The magenta area means unknown/limited data provided. Unfortunately I couldn't see what was down there due to overcast cloud. 3rd pict: Flying northwestbound over Norway, you can see that the horizon is totally flat!! This was one of my commercial-passengers flight from one city in Middle East direct to LAX (16 hrs flight time)..!! I'll take more picts of the "flat" horizon on my next flights... Found some picts from my FaceBook album: 1st pict below: ( forgot where was it,sorry) 2nd pict: eastbound over North Atlantic 3rd pict: somewhere over Iran airspace All picts show "flat" horizon...    |
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Post by Jason on Jun 6, 2015 12:27:00 GMT
Well, I tested it too, and it didn't disappear! Also, his point is totally strange as the flight I am tracking - Sydney - Santiago takes only 11 h 23 m! So what is he suggesting? It doesn't make sense to me at all. Looking at the flat Earth map that flight should take much longer than 11 hours.  Yep, it's pretty strange. I live in Melbourne in southern Australia. Just try getting a flight to Buenos aries direct or even Santiago direct. Cant be done. Some of the flights send you Melbourne to Perth, then Perth to Sydney (WTF) Sydney to Auckland the on to Santiago. It's as if they purposefully design these flights so no one uses them. 52 hours to Santiago from Melbourne? No thanks, I'll go via LA, is what most will do. Look, the only way to find out is get a ticket from Sydney to Santiago, take a compass with you and see what happens.  |
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Post by LIT on Jun 9, 2015 17:25:04 GMT
@jason
Have you seen where Buenos Aires is on the map of South America? Why would you expect to have a direct flight? Why don't you have direct flights between Berlin and Los Angeles? Why don't you have direct flights between London and Los Angeles? Same reason. Please use common sense. The flights would be more expensive(because the planes need to be bigger) and they won't be able to sell all the seats. It doesn't pay off. Are you saying that the rich don't fly on private jets across the ocean?
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Post by jrowe on Jul 6, 2015 12:17:32 GMT
So when it comes to the flight times, do we have anything closer to an answer for the flat earth position than 'all maps are wrong'? I admit that the flight from South America to Australia puzzles me. The flat earth maps would have to be VERY wrong for that to be the case. Personally I hold to a model where each hemiplane is of equal size, which seems likely. There are quite a few issues with dramatically altering the size of one with respect to the other. That being said, it's very hard to get an accurate FE map from our perspective, so I may be wrong. |
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Post by PhilipM on Dec 15, 2015 19:19:32 GMT
Any flat map of a sphere is distorted. On a small scale it is accurate enough e.g. for short-range navigation but if you add up lots of small pieces eventually the errors become significant.
A conspiracy has to explain motive, mechanism and persistence. Airlines could save billions if FE was correct and they adjusted routes to fit. The probability that all would willingly do it or be stupider than FE "theorists" is close to zero.
OTOH keeping alive weird conspiracies is useful for manipulating public opinion, creating a general miasma of distrust of science so the real conspiracies like fossil fuel industry undermining progress to clean energy can ride on the back of this.
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Post by LIT on Dec 16, 2015 9:49:00 GMT
PhilipM, you're right. By definition a map projection is always distorted. I don't know why people act like they don't get it.
Acenci, I think concave earth is not feasible, because the Earth would overheat. Not to mention that it is kind of weird to have all the universe inside such a small concavity.
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and only limited by the amount of fuel on board available to throw out the back 
