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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 3:10:37 GMT
OK, we have two new videos from Matt, VERY MUCH worth a watch:
And then this one, part 2:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 13:38:13 GMT
While Matt Boylan is correct about the earth being flat, he is way wrong about there being OTHER populated land masses "across the ice". See, the globe model's intent is to crush humanity spiritually. The intent is to make man insignificant, living on an insignificant "planet" in an insignificant "solar system" in an insignificant "galaxy", in an ever expanding universe...and of course no REAL and Personal God. So, WHAT does Matt do??? He takes the globe model's intent and applies it to a Flat Earth, with the same spiritually crushing elements. And then all the "alien" nonsense gets added only in this paradigm. Just HOGWASH!
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:9-10.
God called the DRY LAND Earth. The waters were gathered unto one place and let the dry land appear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 13:46:38 GMT
Thanks for the links, LionI will make (and keep editing in the next few hours) my usual commentary, minute by minute: THIS CRAZY NOTION- the flat earth revolution (first video you posted)min. 24 he mentions Zhib Rhan's map, and he's critical of it 1:07:00 on the Jesuits, it sounds as if he believes they're the leaders of the conspiracy 1:09:00 "Copernicus was a Jesuit priest" 1:10:00 "The big bang theory was by another Jesuit priest". "They have the biggest telescopes in the world, for a reason". I wonder what the people at IFERS would say on this. 1:12:00 New clip of Obama talking about the Flat Earth Society, not the usual one that we have all seen. 1:14:00 He lists names of politicians and royals who, in his opinion, know and don't know about flat earth: "Merkel doesn't know...", "Hollande doesn't know...", "...but Putin knows...". 1:18:00 on the "Alien invasion", and how he's skeptical on it 1:20:50 He talks about God, and he briefly makes an implicit reference to creationism.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 14:21:38 GMT
Here...HERE is what the Satan-worshipping maniacs in power are hiding by command. THIS is what they do not want you to know is coming. READ the words carefully. ALL the deception will be taken out of the way:
""And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven FELL unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Revelation 6:12-17
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 15:20:53 GMT
So, from your other posts as well, I gather that in your opinion all major documentary makers on flat earth (Boylan, Sargent, Dubay) share a message that "crushes humanity spiritually"... and ignores the Bible?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:08:37 GMT
While Matt Boylan is correct about the earth being flat, he is way wrong about there being OTHER populated land masses "across the ice". See, the globe model's intent is to crush humanity spiritually. The intent is to make man insignificant, living on an insignificant "planet" in an insignificant "solar system" in an insignificant "galaxy", in an ever expanding universe...and of course no REAL and Personal God. So, WHAT does Matt do??? He takes the globe model's intent and applies it to a Flat Earth, with the same spiritually crushing elements. And then all the "alien" nonsense gets added only in this paradigm. Just HOGWASH! "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:9-10. God called the DRY LAND Earth. The waters were gathered unto one place and let the dry land appear. Well said, Lion. It was Matt (Math Powerland) Boylan that was used to wake me up to the possibility of the flat earth. I do believe him, in terms of his NASA history and experiences. But he is way off in terms of spiritual matters, and you are right, he is playing into the same hand that the ball earthers are playing into, that is, degrade people. I don't think he's doing it on purpose, but it is a possible result of him not believing the Bible. At any rate, I did enjoy his videos, and I'm glad he's making them again. It had been about a couple months.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:20:16 GMT
While Matt Boylan is correct about the earth being flat, he is way wrong about there being OTHER populated land masses "across the ice". See, the globe model's intent is to crush humanity spiritually. The intent is to make man insignificant, living on an insignificant "planet" in an insignificant "solar system" in an insignificant "galaxy", in an ever expanding universe...and of course no REAL and Personal God. So, WHAT does Matt do??? He takes the globe model's intent and applies it to a Flat Earth, with the same spiritually crushing elements. And then all the "alien" nonsense gets added only in this paradigm. Just HOGWASH! "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:9-10. God called the DRY LAND Earth. The waters were gathered unto one place and let the dry land appear. Well said, Lion. It was Matt (Math Powerland) Boylan that was used to wake me up to the possibility of the flat earth. I do believe him, in terms of his NASA history and experiences. But he is way off in terms of spiritual matters, and you are right, he is playing into the same hand that the ball earthers are playing into, that is, degrade people. I don't think he's doing it on purpose, but it is a possible result of him not believing the Bible. At any rate, I did enjoy his videos, and I'm glad he's making them again. It had been about a couple months. First, you are right, he IS very entertaining. And again you are right that he is trying to explain things without The Bible (ridiculous!)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:22:47 GMT
Well said, Lion. It was Matt (Math Powerland) Boylan that was used to wake me up to the possibility of the flat earth. I do believe him, in terms of his NASA history and experiences. But he is way off in terms of spiritual matters, and you are right, he is playing into the same hand that the ball earthers are playing into, that is, degrade people. I don't think he's doing it on purpose, but it is a possible result of him not believing the Bible. At any rate, I did enjoy his videos, and I'm glad he's making them again. It had been about a couple months. First, you are right, he IS very entertaining. And again you are right that he is trying to explain things without The Bible (ridiculous!) He does quote the Bible at times, but yeah, he doesn't believe it as the final authority. He does occasionally communicate with jhenningkellogia, who is a Bible believer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:28:24 GMT
Yeah Jess, Jimmy (jhenningkellogia) is a good man. The thing that bothers me NOW about Matt Boylan is why is he dialing in the crazy with taking the Universe/Multi-Glaxy Globe model and applying it to a FLAT EARTH, and as you said, "he is playing into the same hand that the ball earthers are playing into, that is, degrade people."
Now, he is NOT stupid. So, he has to be doing it willfully...OR ...maybe he thinks that this is an "angle" no one has thought of before and he can make some money off it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:34:47 GMT
Yeah Jess, Jimmy (jhenningkellogia) is a good man. The thing that bothers me NOW about Matt Boylan is why is he dialing in the crazy with taking the Universe/Multi-Glaxy Globe model and applying it to a FLAT EARTH, and as you said, "he is playing into the same hand that the ball earthers are playing into, that is, degrade people." Now, he is NOT stupid. So, he has to be doing it willfully...OR ...maybe he thinks that this is an "angle" no one has thought of before and he can make some money off it. Yep, that is bothering me too. I hope he's just doing it out of unknowing imagination (the artist thing). Because it brings him into doubt. He's been very helpful to me in getting this far, but like some of the other arenas of conspiracy, a certain person can only bring you so far until you have to move on to the next, so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 15:49:02 GMT
I notice in these new videos, he is not allowing comments. Seems to be a common trend among anyone that is promoting the flat earth. Makes me think that something is going to break eventually.
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Post by Guest on Apr 8, 2015 18:42:01 GMT
I have to disagree with you on your theory about Matt. If you are to believe his nasa story that woke him up, then he was told by those in the know that there is no end to Antarctica. It keeps going forever. He may have been told of other sun systems or he may have just come up with that theory from his experience. I don't remember him ever saying that he was told that. But the "elite" that opened his eyes probably didn't mention the bible while explaining the matter. (In my opinion: you don't need to have his idea or a ball idea in order to degrade people. You can step back at humanity as a whole and see that we are just as dumb as we are smart. We hate just as much as we love. And I don't do see how ridiculous it is to not use the bible in explaining your work when many things in the bible are incredibly unbelievable. This would be why many people use the bible as a spiritual guide rather than a text of reliable facts.) The skeptic can use your unquestioning belief in the bible against you. The bible can be used to your advantage as well. I don't recommend you stop using it. I personally think henning does great work using both scientific reasoning and the bible. Haven't watched all his videos but flat earth 2013 is one of my favorites. As far as money grubbing goes. It is a catch 22. If you seek money you're researching out of greed. But you need money to live and if you don't seek it in your research you will have less time to do it as you will need to work elsewhere to get your money. I find it a very slippery slope. It is a fact that if we are to ever find the truth, we will need money, power, and and reliable leadership. Matt appears to be seeking all 3. I lean towards him as genuine. If I had that artistic talent I don't believe I would be pitching flat earth for a monetary angle. I would be just fine selling my art and painting hot naked babes without the majority thinking I am a lunatic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 18:48:02 GMT
I have to disagree with you on your theory about Matt. If you are to believe his nasa story that woke him up, then he was told by those in the know that there is no end to Antarctica. It keeps going forever. He may have been told of other sun systems or he may have just come up with that theory from his experience. I don't remember him ever saying that he was told that. But the "elite" that opened his eyes probably didn't mention the bible while explaining the matter. (In my opinion: you don't need to have his idea or a ball idea in order to degrade people. You can step back at humanity as a whole and see that we are just as dumb as we are smart. We hate just as much as we love. And I don't do see how ridiculous it is to not use the bible in explaining your work when many things in the bible are incredibly unbelievable. This would be why many people use the bible as a spiritual guide rather than a text of reliable facts.) The skeptic can use your unquestioning belief in the bible against you. The bible can be used to your advantage as well. I don't recommend you stop using it. I personally think henning does great work using both scientific reasoning and the bible. Haven't watched all his videos but flat earth 2013 is one of my favorites. As far as money grubbing goes. It is a catch 22. If you seek money you're researching out of greed. But you need money to live and if you don't seek it in your research you will have less time to do it as you will need to work elsewhere to get your money. I find it a very slippery slope. It is a fact that if we are to ever find the truth, we will need money, power, and and reliable leadership. Matt appears to be seeking all 3. I lean towards him as genuine. If I had that artistic talent I don't believe I would be pitching flat earth for a monetary angle. I would be just fine selling my art and painting hot naked babes without the majority thinking I am a lunatic. Well the NASA/military crowd could have been partially lying to Matt Boylan that night as well. They could have told him a mix of truth and lies. I trust the Bible alone. But at any rate, if they want to have him simulate a fake "alien" attack, then they would feed him the idea of "other flat earths".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 18:50:50 GMT
So, are we seeing his face at 1:44? No, wait, wrong. He looks different on Facebook: www.facebook.com/jimmy.henning.14I, too, think that Matt is genuine. Let's also remember about his "accident" (assassination attempt or warning): You either argue it is fake, or you must believe that he is genuine.
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Post by Guest on Apr 8, 2015 20:04:10 GMT
Not sure if I understand where you are going with the face comment? I never thought who the guitar player is was relevant to the information presented in the video. Excellent work in pulling up these videos though. Never saw the video of Matt post "accident" before. Sometimes I'm turned off by his ramblings and sometimes I think it is good to see the emotional toll being awake can have on a person. It makes you less concerned when you go through similar episodes. I think being awake incognito is hard enough but to then put yourself out there and face not only the real control but also an army of the brainwashed doubters must be an incredible mind f***. If he is the real deal, I commend him as well as the others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 20:19:52 GMT
Yeah, that's why we are forgiving all these "real deals" for being so unbalanced (cf. our IFERS experience). And that's why we suspect the mentally balanced ones of being "shills" (cf. suspicions towards Mark Sargent).
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Post by Guest on Apr 8, 2015 20:42:54 GMT
To Jess: Not trying to change your faith in the bible. Just want you to understand that the agnostic is not your enemy. If we all seek truth and join together we may find a better world. If you feel the bible is the truth that is ok with me. I personally don't find it illogical to be open to other possibilities. I don't have a flat earth model that I fully agree with and I think one should be cautious in calling researchers ridiculous or disingenuous because they are thinking outside of what the bible says. In saying that I find the bible model and references very intriguing and worth looking into. Hope you all better understand my sincerity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 21:55:42 GMT
Yes, I agree. Let us all respect one another, regardless of our opinions. The rule should be mutual respect rather than agreeing with one another. We should only agree on mutual respect.
As I said before, I think we should be ready to welcome respectful historical revisionists, agnostics, atheists, etcetera (some have already joined us by the way). This would be a real test to our freedom of speech. I hope everyone agrees (again, I am not the administrator).
So yes, unnecessary arguments will be avoided more effectively if we do not use any negative connotation in defining their points of view.
@jess, if you agree on this, probably Guest will feel ok about joining us. He's probably waiting to be reassured that we will allow his freedom of speech and respect his point of view, without belittling it in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 22:23:55 GMT
Absolutely I agree that our guest should feel completely at home to express their views. Guest, I hope you choose to register.
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Post by Guest on Apr 8, 2015 22:40:09 GMT
Thanks acenci. Just want to be clear that I don't see this as an argument or unnecessary at all. I find you all to be good knowledgeable people. If someone finds a position of mine or others to be ridiculous they can feel free to say so. I have no problem further stating my case and if we end in disagreement so be it. I don't think a person who expresses emotion on an emotional issue is bad at all. We're only human and my skin is thick. I obviously will defend both biblical and non-biblical views. I only advise caution because I think you will reject good information and genuine analysis if you put the blockers up when a position goes against what you firmly believe to be true.
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