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Post by consciousness on May 29, 2015 20:04:47 GMT
Firstly, hi everyone, I just got here. I was banned from Dubay's forum on the same day I signed up (the same hour actually). Sorry if this thread is in the wrong spot or if this topic has been covered already, but I was wondering what Eric's problem is? I highly doubt he is controlled opposition because most of what he says makes sense and is how I came to fully understand the flat earth to begin with. Having said that, I feel that he has a huge chip on his shoulder towards anyone who dares question anything he says, and he especially seems hostile to Christians.
Here's what happened. A little over a month ago I had been really starting to realize the earth is flat so I was doing a lot of research. Inevitably I came across Dubay's material very early on in my research. After concluding that he wasn't a shill and really enjoying his stuff I decided to join ifers. When I signed up, the first post I made was a very humble and kind greeting, I basically said that I was new to the flat earth but that I really appreciate Eric's work and others, and that I can't wait to learn more. Eric and a few other people liked this post. The VERY NEXT THING that I posted was simply a comment to what was being said on another thread about the zeitgeist movie, they were saying how Christianity is just another belief derived from ancient Egyptian beliefs and so I chimed in and said that that's totally untrue and that the zeitgeist film has a lot of disinformation in it, I also provided links to back myself up. AS SOON AS I DID THAT the attacks started rolling in. Particularly from the user known as "schpankme". He picked apart what I said and took things out of context and asked me what my real agenda is and why I'm pushing religion on a flat earth forum. I instantly got the feeling that I was in a den of lions just for identifying with Christianity, even in a roundabout way, they picked up on the scent like trained bloodhounds lol and began pushing me over my comment. I very nicely replied that I have no "hidden agenda" to force religion on anyone and that I have no idea how he gleaned that just because I said the zeitgeist film had bullshit in it. He then said something to the effect of "well why are your first posts standing up for Christianity instead of discussing flat earth like the rest of us?" To which I replied that I'm NEW to the flat earth and don't have enough knowledge to contribute yet, but through my browsing I found other topics on this forum that I DO have knowledge about so those are gonna be the ones I comment on for now until I can contribute more to the flat earth threads, WHY am I being pushed for that? Well he just kept getting flustered and hitting me with strawman attacks so I walked away from the computer for about half an hour. When I came back, I had already been banned and everything I said deleted. Eric didn't even say anything. I think what happened was "schpankme" bitched to Eric about me and probably called me a shill, Eric read over our conversation, decided that he was right and swiftly deleted all trace of me without even asking me anything. When I went back on the forum a couple hrs later (I had already been deleted but I was snooping lol) I seen that Eric had written a new HUGE post that was "A warning to religious people" wherein he basically blasted anyone who believes in the Bible, and that's when I knew that HE is the one who has a secret agenda! Otherwise why get so bent up JUST Because I questioned zeitgeist?
Anyway, I've since said "eff Dubay's forum" and gone on to do my own research and that's that. Even though he banned me for no reason, which I think makes him very suspect, I still wouldn't go so far as to say he's a shill. I think he really does have a lot of good points and is genuine about the flat earth. But he's definitely got issues, why ban a newbie right away just for questioning something? Seems like he wants a full monarchy of that forum and anyone who questions his rule gets the axe without trial lol. Which means it's definitely NOT a fostering ground for true free thinking!
Anyway, sorry for the rant lol, again hello to everyone, I look forward to spending time on here and I hope this forum is more free than ifers!
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Post by acenci on May 29, 2015 21:21:30 GMT
If you are looking for me, I am now here: anti-globe.boards.netYou're all invited to join us, including the administrator here. |
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Post by zero11s on May 29, 2015 21:37:31 GMT
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Post by consciousness on May 29, 2015 22:08:46 GMT
Ah so even this forum is broken up now? Divide and conquer at its finest? Lol. Can not all flat earthers just get along even if they disagree on some things? I just want a stable forum to join that has a reasonably good number of regular users with whom to discuss things. It seems this flat earth movement is losing traction...
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Post by LIT on May 29, 2015 22:09:17 GMT
I don't see why people should move from one place to another. If they have something to say they can do it anywhere. As for Eric Dubay, he probably thinks everyone is a shill, he is that paranoid. That is why he bans everyone. By the way, it is not really nice to hang out here only to advertise your forum. Anyway, that is not the point of any forum. The idea is to discuss not to get more members. Why don't you discuss?
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Post by consciousness on May 29, 2015 22:44:18 GMT
You're not talking to me, right? I didn't advertise any forum, I said the opposite. Wtf? I am discussing. Did you read what I said? The other two posters did not discuss anything and put links to their respective forums.
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Post by consciousness on May 29, 2015 22:48:31 GMT
And yes, I think you're right, Dubay is paranoid or has some sort of Messiah complex as I heard someone say. He bans you if you aren't fully in line with him 100%. And my point was that I hope this forum is not similar to his. But I see already that two different users have posted links to yet MORE flat earth forums...
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Post by LIT on May 30, 2015 6:52:26 GMT
You're not talking to me, right? I didn't advertise any forum, I said the opposite. Wtf? I am discussing. Did you read what I said? The other two posters did not discuss anything and put links to their respective forums. Yes, I was talking about the other guys, as they only came to advertise. I read what you said, and it is weird dubay acts like that.Don't know what his game is. As for the discussion, it will be hard if people like acenci and zero11s only visit this forum to advertise theirs...As for some reason they want to get as many members as possible even if they don't discuss anything. |
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Post by zero11s on May 30, 2015 8:26:06 GMT
You're not talking to me, right? I didn't advertise any forum, I said the opposite. Wtf? I am discussing. Did you read what I said? The other two posters did not discuss anything and put links to their respective forums. Yes, I was talking about the other guys, as they only came to advertise. Did we advertise? I mean consciousness wanted to go with the Flat Earthers otherwise he wouldn´t be there now. |
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Post by acenci on May 30, 2015 8:33:14 GMT
With your concept of "dis-cussing" there can be no members. So, come join our forum, where your opinions will be valued.
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Post by LIT on May 30, 2015 20:17:14 GMT
Yeah, actually I have nothing to discuss with people who're talking out of the their asses and only care about traffic. If you actually had the ability to discuss you could do it anywhere.
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Post by consciousness on May 30, 2015 22:17:21 GMT
I registered at both to be fair. I joined acenci's and zero's and plus I'll still come on here, so 3 different forums now, I'll observe how they all are.
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Post by acenci on May 31, 2015 20:39:22 GMT
Come anyway, LIT.
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Post by truthexplorer on Jun 8, 2015 17:36:51 GMT
Hi all.
I'm kinda bemused by this thread to be honest, but like the fact that everyone can speak freely. I'm a newbie to the flat earth too and am researching. I also have my faith which means a lot to me. It is good to know that we can have open discussions about flat earth research here which should be the primary topic of this forum, yet agree to disagree if we touch on things from a religious perspective. Admittedly I am being drawn a little more to this forum based on that reason.. Regards TE
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Post by gyro on Jun 8, 2015 20:54:07 GMT
I had exactly the same experience on Eric Dubay's discussion board. I'm glad to know it wasn't just me. I got the impression that "schpankme" is the moderator and has let the power go to his head. They banished me within a few hours of making my first post, which was supportive. I asked for help from the more experienced members in countering certain heliocentric arguments. They jumped on me like a pack of junkyard dogs, accusing me of being "indecent" for not studying more before asking questions. I'm optimistic that this group is more receptive.
I still enjoy Eric's materials and videos. His approach is very rational, sober, and compelling.
Having had some experience flying helicopters (full disclosure, I am not a professional pilot), I'm challenged by Eric's contention that in order to fly level, maintaining constant altitude, a pilot would have to continually correct downward if Earth was a sphere- otherwise he'd fly into 'space.' Not unlike when driving a car, pilots must continually make small corrections in all directions. You watch your altimeter, rate of climb and artificial horizon instruments and adjust almost unconsciously. While heliocentric pilots could argue that they do correct downward without being aware of it, I suspect that- at least for high-speed jets- the correction would be so pronounced that it would be difficult to dismiss.
Any more experienced pilots on the board to address this?
Thank you.
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Post by consciousness on Jun 23, 2015 19:37:37 GMT
gyro, very good point. I wondered about that too but don't know any pilots that I could ask that. Makes sense though. If flying in a commercial jet or anything faster than 500mph, the downward correction should be VERY pronounced and noticeable to a pilot.
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Post by It's His story! on Jul 1, 2015 5:53:54 GMT
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Post by gesar on Jul 4, 2015 15:47:07 GMT
I concur with Freethinker, I also am new to the flat earth theory and just yesterday joined the ifers forum of Eric Dubay onlly to get banned after 3 posts? Also feel that Eric Dubay has some real good info but has become quite paranoid but he might be right in that, maybe he should be given the following he's gotten from his videos. Having said that I don't feel my posts warranted banning lol!
I have a pilot's licence but haven't flown on jets faster than 500mph. The altimeters on planes work by measuring barometric pressure unless using radar altimeter which gives altitude above ground.
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Post by acenci on Jul 4, 2015 16:00:21 GMT
I concur with Freethinker, I also am new to the flat earth theory and just yesterday joined the ifers forum of Eric Dubay onlly to get banned after 3 posts? Also feel that Eric Dubay has some real good info but has become quite paranoid but he might be right in that, maybe he should be given the following he's gotten from his videos. Having said that I don't feel my posts warranted banning lol! I have a pilot's licence but haven't flown on jets faster than 500mph. The altimeters on planes work by measuring barometric pressure unless using radar altimeter which gives altitude above ground. Yes, he gets particularly paranoid about the pilots. I have seen him ban pilots before, very quickly. The first paranoia he has about pilots is that he doubts they are pilots, because I guess he does not think too much of his fans. Maybe that's why he treats them like garbage all the time. You took it pretty well, overall. I think his paranoia is not justified at all. |
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Post by gesar on Jul 4, 2015 16:12:48 GMT
I didn't even mention that i was a pilot on his forum,,,what bothers most is being new to this topic and seeing all the division that seems to be growing within. Hope that folks get their emotional gear together if the FE topic is to gain any traction. Agree to disagree sometimes as we can hardly agree on everything all the time in life. lol!
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Post by acenci on Jul 4, 2015 16:16:58 GMT
By now, after banning hundreds of members, he must be aware that he's using his "shill" suspicions as an excuse to get rid of members that ask him uncomfortable questions or disagree with him. He has to keep this image that he's tolerant, good and "compassionate" as he says, so he can't admit that on his forum he only wants people who will regard him as... "professor Dubay", even while calling him "Eric". He should resolve this contradiction once and for all, and prefer to come off as arrogant than as paranoid.
But maybe instead he is really paranoid. Just thinking out loud.
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Post by acenci on Jul 4, 2015 16:18:44 GMT
Yes, lots of divisions and infighting, no doubt about it. Agree to disagree is my motto, too.
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Post by gesar on Jul 4, 2015 17:38:56 GMT
It does make sense that there be disinfo when dealing with this type of subject, but there''s got to be a better way to address the issue without alienating the rookies to the issue.
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Post by acenci on Jul 4, 2015 17:57:27 GMT
It does make sense that there be disinfo when dealing with this type of subject, but there''s got to be a better way to address the issue without alienating the rookies to the issue. Yes, absolutely, but especially because out of 200 people they banned, I don't think they have banned one single "shill". Furthermore, they banned of people, including me, for the fact that we said that we appreciated Mark Sargent. But they did not ban Mark Sargent himself, because he's too big a name to ban from a forum, and Eric is honored to have on his forum a name like Mark Sargent, despite the fact that he calls him "shill" on a daily basis. |
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Post by Papa Legba on Jul 4, 2015 18:35:12 GMT
I love how you keep talking about 'Eric Dubay' as if he is a real person.
Have any of you met him?
Visited his home?
Met his relatives?
Been to school with him?
Etc..?
Like Lord Steven Christ (lol!), he is a fictional character, created to lead you astray.
& when the time is right - if needed - he will be used to discredit you, 'flat earth' & ANY other 'conspiracy' theory he 'promotes' through some kind of hoaxed-up psyop.
A Waco-type 'cult' massacre perhaps?
Or a 'Heaven's Gate' mass-suicide?
I do not know. Or care.
But I do know he is a laughable charlatan, & if you buy into what he is selling - on any level - then Caveat Emptor.
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Post by misero on Jul 5, 2015 13:23:11 GMT
I assume you are not the moronic Papa Legba from theflatearthsociety.org?
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Post by acenci from fsr.boards.net on Jul 5, 2015 13:50:43 GMT
I believe Dubay is a real person and that he is in good faith, yet he is also very intolerant and paranoid.
I believe he is from Maine. I believe this is his father:
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Post by jrowe on Jul 5, 2015 18:05:01 GMT
Regretfully, I think Eric probably does exist. That kind of pyrrhonism is useless for any purpose.
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Post by Papa Legba on Jul 6, 2015 19:33:09 GMT
LOL!!!
More non-posts from non-people in 'misero' & 'Jrowe'...
The flat earth psyop must continue at all costs!
Eric Dubay is an actor & fictional character; so is his father. So are Mark Sargent, Math Boylan & Lord Steven Christ.
All bullshit.
And like anyone cares what shape the earth is anyway...
What a joke you all are!
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Post by Papa Legba on Jul 6, 2015 21:22:24 GMT
Yes, acenci; I'd say cobracommander is on the right track.
Btw, 'misero' is likely some kind of bot-entity, & 'Jrowe' is another artificially-created 'flat-earther', designed to discredit research into the subject by being as dumb & illogical as possible.
I wouldn't take much notice of anything either has to say.
Just fyi... Like I said, I do not care what shape the earth is.
I simply enjoy rattling the cages of space/science cultists; they're religious fanatics & don't even know it - which is LOL!!!
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