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Post by jayjay on Apr 16, 2015 0:47:38 GMT
Another researcher brought this to my attention. I know nothing but what is apparent. This is the reason why there are no flights over Antarctica. Some theorize that it was shot down. In the little time I just looked, I found the allowed polar routes over Antarctica, and news article about the crash. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_routewww.southpolestation.com/trivia/history/te901.htmlHas anyone here investigated this crash? Any info and thoughts about it? |
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 16, 2015 6:40:05 GMT
Another researcher brought this to my attention. I know nothing but what is apparent. This is the reason why there are no flights over Antarctica. Some theorize that it was shot down. In the little time I just looked, I found the allowed polar routes over Antarctica, and news article about the crash. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_routewww.southpolestation.com/trivia/history/te901.htmlHas anyone here investigated this crash? Any info and thoughts about it? The Erebus crash happened before i moved to New Zealand but nearly everybody in New zealand knew somebody who was directly impacted by the death of so many NZers. I have looked at a few of the documentaries from the TV and online over the years. An error before takeoff meant they flew the wrong route and although there was an increased level of unease in the cockpit - particularly from the engineer behind the pilots - as they approached erebus they took no action in time and just flew into the rising ground. Those who have investigated the crash later have focused on the way Air New zealand so quickly shifted blame onto the captain for not picking up the error which was created by NZ ground staff. There was i think also criticism that these cynic flights were flying too low but again that was something coming from Auckland as much as it was the pilots decision as captain in command. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 16, 2015 7:30:59 GMT
jayjayNot sure if you noticed that the crash happened close to McMurdo station. Maybe it was shot down. Why do you think that particular crash is the reason why there are no commercial flights over Antarctica? So basically if you follow this logic if a plane crashes in Canada they should stop flying over Canada as well. I don't buy that explanation at all. I know they say it is difficult to send rescue teams to Antarctica,so it is just a safety thing, but there are tourist flights, so how is it safe for them?
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 16, 2015 8:16:13 GMT
jayjayNot sure if you noticed that the crash happened close to McMurdo station. Maybe it was shot down. Why do you think that particular crash is the reason why there are no commercial flights over Antarctica? So basically if you follow this logic if a plane crashes in Canada they should stop flying over Canada as well. I don't buy that explanation at all. I know they say it is difficult to send rescue teams to Antarctica,so it is just a safety thing, but there are tourist flights, so how is it safe for them? Anybody going to Antarctica will no doubt have to sign to say they do so at their own risk. If you fly a scheduled flight you will have some compensation protection |
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Post by LIT on Apr 16, 2015 8:31:42 GMT
aliveandkickingWell, that could be it plus the high costs of potential rescue missions.
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 16, 2015 9:00:40 GMT
aliveandkickingWell, that could be it plus the high costs of potential rescue missions. I see there is a flight that flies directly to south africa from Australia that will use a great circle route if the weather permits. In many weather conditions rescue from Antarctica would be impossible long before they all froze to death. |
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Post by jayjay on Apr 16, 2015 11:26:02 GMT
jayjayNot sure if you noticed that the crash happened close to McMurdo station. Maybe it was shot down. Why do you think that particular crash is the reason why there are no commercial flights over Antarctica? So basically if you follow this logic if a plane crashes in Canada they should stop flying over Canada as well. I don't buy that explanation at all. I know they say it is difficult to send rescue teams to Antarctica,so it is just a safety thing, but there are tourist flights, so how is it safe for them? Maybe it's not in the article posted but I read that their position in Antarctica (not Canada) caused them to lose communication, and their instruments weren't reading correctly. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 16, 2015 11:39:09 GMT
jayjayNot sure if you noticed that the crash happened close to McMurdo station. Maybe it was shot down. Why do you think that particular crash is the reason why there are no commercial flights over Antarctica? So basically if you follow this logic if a plane crashes in Canada they should stop flying over Canada as well. I don't buy that explanation at all. I know they say it is difficult to send rescue teams to Antarctica,so it is just a safety thing, but there are tourist flights, so how is it safe for them? Maybe it's not in the article posted but I read that their position in Antarctica (not Canada) caused them to lose communication, and their instruments weren't reading correctly. I mentioned Canada for a completely different reason. That was a hypothetical scenario that if something like that happens somewhere it doesn't mean they should ban all commercial flights due to safety. Crashes happen everywhere. Are you pretending you didn't understand my post or you really didn't. I thought it was clear what I wanted to illustrate by that example. |
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Post by jayjay on Apr 16, 2015 12:38:23 GMT
I'm not trying to explain anything. This crash was brought to my attention and I haven't heard anything about it before last night. I'm just saying that from what I understand, this is used as an excuse as to why flights don't go inland. Wondering if there is any proof of that, or a shoot down, or instrument and communication failure due to location and what would have caused it. If my original post caused you to believe that I think they stop flying routes simply because planes crash on them, I don't. I don't claim to know anything about it. Thought some of the researchers here may have looked into this deeper. No big deal, just looking for info and thoughts.
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Post by LIT on Apr 16, 2015 13:10:53 GMT
jayjayNo idea what you think I believe in, but I never suggested Antarctica doesn't exist or that there are no flights there. Obviously, there are tourist flights and expeditions. There are research stations and so on. Nothing new to me here. I have doubts though when it comes to some individual expeditions as they appear to be quite fantastic. Additionally, I suspect there might be some sort of tight control who visits and what they can see there. Also, as far as I know there is absolutely no indication that midnight Sun doesn't happen in Antarctica. Anyway, interesting article.
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 16, 2015 15:54:35 GMT
I see there is a flight that flies directly to south africa from Australia that will use a great circle route if the weather permits. I have a globe and looking down from antarctica it is hard to see any reason for any commercial flights to go over antarctic land. South africa to Australia is nowhere near land for a great circle route. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 16, 2015 16:16:15 GMT
I see there is a flight that flies directly to south africa from Australia that will use a great circle route if the weather permits. I have a globe and looking down from antarctica it is hard to see any reason for any commercial flights to go over antarctic land. South africa to Australia is nowhere near land for a great circle route. Actually, you're right. I can't see why a plane from South Africa should fly over Antarctica to reach Australia. It is not the shortest around if you look at a globe. It definitely doesn't need to cross Antarctica, it just flies by it. |
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