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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 4:28:01 GMT
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Post by efrohi on Apr 13, 2015 5:42:32 GMT
If the earth is flat ... What went wrong with this experiment ? One is for sure, its not convex in this experiment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 5:45:56 GMT
Thanks for the feedback. I know practically nothing about this subject. I am just trying to gather material here, orderly as usual... then eventually I will form an opinion.
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 13, 2015 9:11:47 GMT
If the earth is flat ... What went wrong with this experiment ? One is for sure, its not convex in this experiment. nothing went wrong, the earth is not flat. |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 15:54:15 GMT
If the earth is flat ... What went wrong with this experiment ? One is for sure, its not convex in this experiment. nothing went wrong, the earth is not flat. Sorry Steve, this experiment only creates issues elsewhere...like oceans staying in place while preserving Human life and airplane navigation. A plane flying even STRAIGHT would have to CONSTANTLY be increasing "perceived" altitude to not crash into the ever RISING ocean or land. Nope, Cyrus Teed's Concave Earth THEORY does not work in practicality. |
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 13, 2015 16:12:38 GMT
nothing went wrong, the earth is not flat. Sorry Steve, this experiment only creates issues elsewhere...like oceans staying in place while preserving Human life and airplane navigation. A plane flying even STRAIGHT would have to CONSTANTLY be increasing "perceived" altitude to not crash into the ever RISING ocean or land. Nope, Cyrus Teed's Concave Earth THEORY does not work in practicality. apologies are reversed. the experiment is the standard of excellence proving earth's concavity. if you were honest with yourself, you'd admit you have an emotional bias and cannot entertain cold hard facts. planes work perfectly within the concave earth. when you eliminate the impossible (flat earth) that which remains, however improbable (concave earth) must be the truth. |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 16:17:28 GMT
Sorry Steve, this experiment only creates issues elsewhere...like oceans staying in place while preserving Human life and airplane navigation. A plane flying even STRAIGHT would have to CONSTANTLY be increasing "perceived" altitude to not crash into the ever RISING ocean or land. Nope, Cyrus Teed's Concave Earth THEORY does not work in practicality. apologies are reversed. the experiment is the standard of excellence proving earth's concavity. if you were honest with yourself, you'd admit you have an emotional bias and cannot entertain cold hard facts. planes work perfectly within the concave earth. when you eliminate the impossible (flat earth) that which remains, however improbable (concave earth) must be the truth. Steve, the statement that you just wrote, "the experiment is the standard of excellence proving earth's concavity", is simply not true because it PROVED nothing. Cyrus Teed's "concave earth theory" does not work in practical and observable REAL life. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 16:21:06 GMT
lordstevenchristThe concave Earth looks like the ultimate prison planet. Why don't you repeat the rectilineator experiment? That way we wouldn't need to talk about Cyrus Teed so much and experiments conducted a long time ago. How do you know they didn't make a mistake? Also, that was done on a small scale.Even if we assume it was measured correctly, it still doesn't prove that the Earth is concave. If you can prove that 300 miles into the sea the water level is in fact 5000 meters higher than at the shore then you have an argument.
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 18:09:29 GMT
lordstevenchristThe concave Earth looks like the ultimate prison planet. Why don't you repeat the rectilineator experiment? That way we wouldn't need to talk about Cyrus Teed so much and experiments conducted a long time ago. How do you know they didn't make a mistake? Also, that was done on a small scale.Even if we assume it was measured correctly, it still doesn't prove that the Earth is concave. If you can prove that 300 miles into the sea the water level is in fact 5000 meters higher than at the shore then you have an argument. Thank you for saying what I was thinking so eloquently LIT |
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Post by jondeveaugh on Apr 15, 2015 2:38:26 GMT
Lion I would guess you have read books on flat earth and understood what you read correct? maybe books like zetetic astronomy? Have you read Cellular cosmogony? To all who really want the truth. A free gift from me to you.
Just about everything you want to know
about the rectilineator
in full detail
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Post by Lion on Apr 15, 2015 15:56:37 GMT
Oceans staying in place while preserving Human life without crushing us and airplane navigation are HUGE issues to the concave earth theory. A plane flying even STRAIGHT would have to CONSTANTLY be increasing "perceived" altitude to not crash into the ever RISING ocean or land. Nope, Cyrus Teed's Concave Earth THEORY does not work in practicality.
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 16, 2015 20:41:29 GMT
that's the presupposition error in your assumption. planes DO NOT fly straight. their altitude is based on pressure. your grasping at straws. Rectilineator shows water is concave. period. Poor soul, deny God's concave earth while claiming to believe in him.
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 16, 2015 20:44:12 GMT
Be honest with yourself. Look at the impossibility of seeing the midnight sun at the south pole revolve around the sky at the same declination. This tells you a perimeter ice wall cannot work.
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 27, 2015 22:03:52 GMT
I think we can not use as a ultimate truth argument some old experiments like the "bedford channel" and the rectilineator. We must do them again! I am trying to figure out a kind of "rectilineator" experiment to do on a very long beach... Something like this:  I was thinking on measuring the varying angles along the distance. A simple topographic experiment... I was also thinking that something in this likeness could be acomplished using a theodolite... What do you think? Any suggestions on how could it work out the best way possible? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 22:07:03 GMT
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 28, 2015 7:27:03 GMT
I think we can not use as a ultimate truth argument some old experiments like the "bedford channel" and the rectilineator. We must do them again! I am trying to figure out a kind of "rectilineator" experiment to do on a very long beach... Something like this: I was thinking on measuring the varying angles along the distance. A simple topographic experiment... I was also thinking that something in this likeness could be acomplished using a theodolite... What do you think? Any suggestions on how could it work out the best way possible? If you want a simple experiment just go to the beach with some good binoculars or a high optical zoom camera and look at objects you know across a bay or channel that are around 15miles away. It need be no more complicated than that. If you want to 'prove' the earth is flat you somehow have to undo what you will observe across a large bay - which is a bit pointless if you cannot explain why you see what you do across the bay. Actually it is probably about time I got myself a camera that can do this and I produced a video. You guys will then be able to ask me to do it differently to satisfy whatever question that video creates from you. By now after 2/3 weeks talking about flat earth, the topic has become a bit of a hobby and stress reliever for me! |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 28, 2015 13:00:53 GMT
I can see at 1m above sea level a island that is 15 miles away here where I live...with the naked eye! Your response did not help the experiment. I don't want to depend on optical ilusions on my experiment. I want to do a linear measurement of earth's level. If you have any sugestion to such a expermiment, you will help, but if you want to stay discussing optical evidence (that can trick us), it's not usefull |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 28, 2015 13:06:01 GMT
Thanks acenci. That's the kind of guy I can ask for information... I will try to contact him |
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 28, 2015 13:16:12 GMT
I can see at 1m above sea level a island that is 15 miles away here where I live...with the naked eye! Your response did not help the experiment. I don't want to depend on optical ilusions on my experiment. I want to do a linear measurement of earth's level. If you have any sugestion to such a expermiment, you will help, but if you want to stay discussing optical evidence (that can trick us), it's not usefull You will need to expand a bit on what you are wanting. Lasers just involve light too. A telescope and a laser are going to be subject to the same kind of errors due to atmospheric distortions. What do you mean by a linear measurement? >>I can see at 1m above sea level a island that is 15 miles away here where I live...with the naked eye! Are you saying you are 1m above sea level or the island is one meter above sea level? We need to know how high you are and how high the island is when you see the island. |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 28, 2015 13:50:45 GMT
You will need to expand a bit on what you are wanting. Lasers just involve light too. A telescope and a laser are going to be subject to the same kind of errors due to atmospheric distortions. What do you mean by a linear measurement? >>I can see at 1m above sea level a island that is 15 miles away here where I live...with the naked eye! Are you saying you are 1m above sea level or the island is one meter above sea level? We need to know how high you are and how high the island is when you see the island. I am 1m above sea level. The island is tall, but I don't know exactly it's height, I could not found this information anywhere. But I will manage to take a picture of that when I can. You are right, I think lasers lights can still trick us. So I was thinking of using the laser not to cover great distances, but short distances - like 1 mile and then measure the angle of incidence on the upwards "stick". If it's possible. It' would be something similar to the rectilineator... I posting this idea here, so maybe someone can have a insight on how to do this in a better way, or even make this experiment because I will have to travel to do it... But maybe someone here already lives near a proper "flat'' area to do it. |
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 28, 2015 16:04:51 GMT
You will need to expand a bit on what you are wanting. Lasers just involve light too. A telescope and a laser are going to be subject to the same kind of errors due to atmospheric distortions. What do you mean by a linear measurement? >>I can see at 1m above sea level a island that is 15 miles away here where I live...with the naked eye! Are you saying you are 1m above sea level or the island is one meter above sea level? We need to know how high you are and how high the island is when you see the island. I am 1m above sea level. The island is tall, but I don't know exactly it's height, I could not found this information anywhere. But I will manage to take a picture of that when I can. You are right, I think lasers lights can still trick us. So I was thinking of using the laser not to cover great distances, but short distances - like 1 mile and then measure the angle of incidence on the upwards "stick". If it's possible. It' would be something similar to the rectilineator... I posting this idea here, so maybe someone can have a insight on how to do this in a better way, or even make this experiment because I will have to travel to do it... But maybe someone here already lives near a proper "flat'' area to do it. If you use line of sight from both directions at very similar times in stable conditions then the errors cancel out. Your most overwhelming difficult problem is the ability to measure the angles and levels you need to the huge accuracy you require. Then your problem becomes that the easiest way to do it is to hire a surveyor. I would guess you can hire the equipment though and be shown how to use it. |
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