Mind blowing realization

I've looked at flat earth off and on for the last couple years or so. Last year I was imagining how the world would be if it was concave but I wasn't really a believer. I've also considered that what we call atoms are similar to pixels.

Mark Sargent's flat earth planetarium creeps me out but I still think it's a fun and interesting idea. I think though, that possibly how the ancients experienced this world, a flat world, would have made life have more depth than living in a minuscule dot in an accidental universe. I get the idea they had more chance to experience their life as heroic or meaningful. Humans were center stage. I think that heroism is quite possibly a psychological need for humans to thrive in this world and I think we lack that today and wonder if part of the reason is heliocentrism.  I wonder if humans adapted this heroic and cosmic view of their importance because they were adapting to something real about the world we live in.

Basically, where I am at now is simply a significant lack of belief in heliocentrism. And I think I have seen videos where it is stated that heliocentrists first had the belief and then set out to prove it. I'd like to see about any books on the first heliocentrists and their beliefs, and if that is the case.

Although, I like science, I have been skeptical of science for a long time and I believe that science has paradigms where the anomalies that don't fit it are ignored or rejected. An easy example are how paranormal tests and experiences are considered pseudo-science because it is not materialism. And science is equated with materialism. You could say we are in the heliocentric materialist paradigm right now.

I don't really talk to anyone about this but one family member and I don't particularly want to spend too much time debating.

What we have to remember is, most people do not give much thought to anything other than the snippets of mainstream media spin that they see.
It's natural to understand that one of us telling them that the world isn't what they think - or, this didn't probably happen like they tell us. They will look at us like we are simpletons or taken leave of our senses.

It takes a hell of a lot to wake a person up; especially one that's placed their entire life's trust in anything authority wise.
I had no thought on most things. Do you know; at one time I didn't even know that there was more than one supposed Apollo moon landing. I seriously thought it was just Armstrong and crew. That's how much notice I took.

I also remember arguing with someone over nuclear power...me saying it was ulra dangerous and blah blah. I was arguing against coal. Me...I thought I knew it all. " no, no, coal isn't worse for us than nuclear power." this is what I'd say.
Now I realise that nuclear pwer and weapons are most likely a big lie but that's anotehr story.

Someone once mentioned that I'd be one of those that believed the Earth was flat. What did I say?
I said, " ermm, no...I might have my thoughts but I'm not loop the loop yet."

Why did I say all of this?...because I had my mind made up by reading into different things without taking time out to sift through what is potential truth and what was clap trap.

I started with the moon landings. It didn't take me long to realise how seriously we were duped and how pathetic I felt when I looked at the footage and the contraptions supposedly sent there. To think I frigging bought into it, even if it was half hearted.

Anyway from this point on I started to trawl the sites and came across the flat Earth society.
I joined with a mindset of a stationary globe with the stars and such going around us.

As I started to read through the stuff on there I was intrigued as well as puzzled. Some of it looked extremely good and to this day it still does interest me. I don't follow it all but essentially they are sort of right. It is sort of flat. I just don't follow the exact way in which they say it is. I respect the work that's gone into it though.

I have to thank that site for making me evaluate a lot of things. It made me start to do my puzzles before I chime in with thoughts.
My thoughts may be way out to some and that's fine because we all have them and that's what makes free thinkers a force...because they can and should bounce their thoughts of each other.
Nobody has to agree but by looking into stuff and using a clear, logical mind...things can piece together, however small.

For me, the world is a cell. Probably among trillions of cells. We literally could be part of a body of some kind but I won't go down that path.
Our arrogance makes us believe we are more than we are. We walk and talk and communicate and build. We make electrical components and build cars, ships and what not. We have the capability to do what most creatures can't, which is, control our environment in terms of deciding who's boss.

The thing is. Do we actually know this world or just the part we live on?
We could be living on half of it and the other half could be inhabited by stronger/bigger, more intelligent similar beings as us. A part that we are not allowed to ever see.
Makes sense when you consider the fact that our fellow human beinmgs have decided we need passes and clearance to travel on what should be our Earth.

Imagine it in your new well equipped ship. " ok people where are you going."
"Ahhh, we've decided to explore the Earth to see what we can find."

"Oh, ok, but you do realise that if you go into this water or that water you are tresspassing and will be sunk or arrested."

Think about it.
Just something to think about and nothing to take as any truth.
I think the sensible people among us can understand that living on top of a spinning ball or even a stationary ball (as I once went with) is utter nonsense...right?

For me...anyone who can grasp this much to start with, has one hell of a chance to start using their logical minds and having the ability to deeply think about what each of us are putting forward, because even if a snippet can be taken form a mass of thought, it's progress and one small step closer to potentially figure out just what it's all about in its entirety.

Many of us dismiss giants of old. We dismiss them because we believe we are big and arrogant enough to think that we are the basic giants, which we are descendents from.

Here's something for you to ponder. Go and look at ants in various countries. In England we have tiny ants. In some countries, their ants are humongous. Put one beside an English ant and you have a literal giant, yet they're both ants.

Think about this when you think about humans over time and also think about the pyramids and such like - that nobody can fathom how they were built and teh stones moved.

It may sound silly or outlandish to people. All I say is, think about it with a serious mind and you may start to change your opinion.

Remember one major thing. Whenever you're trying to think over this stuff, there will always be a small army of dis-info people or brainwashed people who will try to coax you into other avenues. If you can get past this, you have a real chance of gaining a better potential reality to your life's history to present day.

Yes, I'm hinting at giant humans. The problem with modern day us is, we have had to rely on people who profess to be experts on stuff they really know little about, except for reading a few books.
Basically we're fed a long line of Chinese whispers that come out as gobbledegook at the end and are adhered to like limpets to a rock.

We get told about all these places with huge carved stones that modern day machines can't move. We're then told that men with ropes and pulleys managed to sort it all out in record time. It's bullshit.
The thing is, giants and the mere mention of them to people, will be met with scorn and giggles. Ignorant people who simply believe Jason and th argonauts movies and Gulliver, plus David and GOLIATH...not to mention the film 300 where you see men against large enemy.
Yeah of course they're fantasy films to us...but are they really?

Look at the nazca lines. The drawings that are kid like but can  only be made out from the air. What's to say that they are kid like because giant kids or people of that time weren't just doing what we would do on the beach.
What would carving our name into sand look like to a mouse running along the beach?

Of course, it sounds laughable but there's skeletons found that are giants and we have the remnants of the odd giant, as in Robert Pershing Wadlow who was 8 feet 9 inches tall in the late 1920's.
No way can we imagine people being 20/30 or more feet tall. It sounds ludicrous, right?....is it though. Is it really that ludicrous. How ludicrous is it when a shark meets a blue whale. Huge sea creatures that are basically similar in look and design, just different in scale.

We live under atmospheric pressure of around 15 psi. That wouldn't have always been the case. Depending on where people lived on this Earth as in further into the Earth as in down into the deeper depths of land that is now no longer seen due to floods caused by atmospheric changes upon it, forcing people up the slightly concave bowl or plate, changing size and shape as they do so to acclimatise to the environment. Many, maybe dying early in the process of it until those that are born become accustomed.


It's still happening now. It's just a slow process and we do not live long enough to appreciate what's going on because we are fed that many lies about it all.
We are born. We play. We grow and eat. We create new life and work to feed that life to keep going. That's basically our life. Nothing special. No different to the life of a bird or a fly, except for the methods.

One thing we do possess for ourselves though. We possess the ability to explore. To find out what it is and was all about. We as humans had the capabilities to pass on the knowledge and the word of Earth and it's riches, etc.
The problem is, the bullies and bullshitters took control of that pass it on word and stored it. What was given out is the bullshit we read today. They don't want us knowing that this Earth is a paradise and we are all entitled to the spoils. They want us as slaves to cater for their every whim and to control us in all manner of things...yet toss us a bone every now and then to keep us happy and in the belief that we are free and not caged animals.
Is it possible?


They even have us send money to places where we believe they are worse off than us. Seriously?
We've been given hutches to live in and crap food to gorge on to the point of us being choosey. We've been given a set of bills that cause brain clots and a saturation of scare tactics about our health.
What do the uneducated ones have in the so called third world countries?
They have each other. Love. No bills except to hunt and grow your own food. To eat what's needed and not to cry and whine when your belly rumbles. To play free and not worry about material things.

The tribes have it the right way. We are the ones to be pitied.
People willing to sell their own granny for a position as manager on the top floor of a skyscraper working 14 hours a day behind a desk in a room that is barely 12x12 feet if they're lucky, then to finish work and take the tube home to their apartment up some height, to settle down with a glass of red wine and a bath before bed to go and do the same thing again.

Who's the idiots?

Yes, in many ways this place should provide psychological and emotional support for people, "conspiracy theorists", who cannot speak their minds with those around them. The good thing is that here we are a circle of friends, whereas in the other forums, if you open up, you are going to get hurt (IFERS) or ridiculed (TFES).

The thing is, in everyday normal walking life and meeting up physically with other people - as in - family and friends, as well as the odd chin wag with people at the pub/club/supermarket/haridressers or whatever - we have to remember that most (nearly all) people are in robotic mode.
Their lives revolve around shopping or hair or nails or work or reading a magazine and newspaper as well as travelling to and from destinations.
Most people are glued to their phones, texting each other. Most people do not possess the time nor the inclination to think about conspiracies or what shape the Earthy is they're walking about on.

Until you put a person in potential harms way, that person will simply go about their life in the programmed manner they've been accustomed to.
Give a person the time to think and things change. That's why those at teh top do not want people who think. They want people who do. They want people to do as they're told and to know what they need to know not what they want to know.

Every person is a potential genius. A potential scientific genius and inventor for the good and bad of their species and Earth. It's just a matter of having the time and material, plus innovative mindset to set it into motion.
Most people can't put a straight shelf up. Most people struggle to wire a plug properly or fry an egg properly.
Why?
Because they mostly never need to do it and are busy doing one specific thing in their work and relaxing after it.

Imagine what would happen if you take away that person's liberty. Put them away for 23 hours a day in a 8 x 6 foot cell with nothing to do but think. Now throw in various bits of materials. Anything you want to. It's amazing the things a person can invent/fashion out of basically nothing useful to the ordinary Joe in the street.
Imagine affording those same people the time to be a scientist in that same environment. Imagine what we could have if it was allowed.
Now then. Can you imagine their minds being channelled into figuring out what we are living on. What space is? what are truths and potential lies or mis-info to basic fibs, to fantasy Hollywood projections pushed as reality. Imagine having enough people in an environment with nothing more to do than to put their brains to use.
The biggest geniuses in the world are those that are incarcerated.
 Guess what?....scientists are also incarcerated in their rooms at university, or special rooms set out for them at secret facilities. They are no less a prisoner than those who are locked up for crimes.

The problem with all of it, just like us on th street. If we think too much and look to be talking common sense, we lose our chance to speak out and be taken serious. In jail you can invent or think something up that those at the top dislike and lose your privileges. A scientist not following protocol will follow the same path.
The person on the street will be the same. All will be ridiculed as well.

But then again, I could be just paranoid or simply making up what I believe to be the case and all is above board in reality. This is true. I could be. the issue is...am I ...and if so, that means that no lies are told to us...ever.
Is this the case, because even the staunchest person who trusts authority must know they tell some lies. The issue is...are they small lies which leave them incapable of selling big lies, or are lies simply lies and once a liar, always a liar?

I suppose it depends on who's telling the stories, as to how deep we all go into a belief system to make us refuse to question authority.

You can walk up to the dullest, slowest, dimwited person in the street. This person could have came out of school with nothing. In fact, this person would be known as dumb as hell. You can walk up to that person and say, " hey, did you know that the Earth is flat." The response you get could easily be, " don't talk stupid, it's a ball you dummy."
Imagine that. Imagine that happening. Now why would this person go into this mode? the very same reason that this person would go into murderous mode when told that TV's are 90% off at the superstore. Their minds are coaxed into a focus, whether that's a fictional ball Earth due to seeing pictures of it and hearing it time and time again, or jumping in a car and driving like a raging bull to the superstore, knocking people over to get to the TV, only to find that they went hours before as there were only 30 or so on offer.
Imagine if that store wasn't the one doing the sale.
It's easy to stone to death a person for their thoughts, as long as mass opinion accept that the stoning is warranted. It's hard to stone to death a mass of people if you're the minority because you do not have the right.

Think about it.