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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 13:29:52 GMT
I've been noticing that in the flat earther community, compared to the other "truther" communities (911, Big Pharma, Chemtrails, etc.), there is a higher percentage of psychos, and also of shills.
And I think the two things are correlated, because the further you go in your discovery of truths, the more "they" try to stop you. And flat earth often comes at the end of a long list of conspiracies we studied.
And also, the more you investigate, the more you become a psycho, because you increasingly lose touch with people around you.
911 truth sets you apart from 85% of the population. Add to it all the hoaxes (in particular the moon hoax), and you lose another 10%. By the time you add demons, in which I believe, you regard as "sheeple" 99% of those around you.
If you add flat earth to the list, then you can't find anyone to talk to, except on the internet. That's how you become a psycho.
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Post by LIT on Mar 30, 2015 13:47:23 GMT
I've been noticing that in the flat earther community, compared to the other "truther" communities (911, Big Pharma, Chemtrails, etc.), there is a higher percentage of psychos, and also of shills. And I think the two things are correlated, because the further you go in your discovery of truths, the more "they" try to stop you. And flat earth often comes at the end of a long list of conspiracies we studied. Yet, the more you investigate, the more you become a psycho, because you increasingly lose touch with people around you. 911 truth sets you apart from 85% of the population. Add to it all the hoaxes (in particular the moon hoax), and you lose another 10%. By the time you add demons, in which I believe, you regard as "sheeple" 99% of those around you. If you add flat earth to the list, then you can't find anyone to talk to, except on the internet. That's how you become a psycho. It could be, but we should also consider the possibility that people are sometimes just unnecessary paranoid. Of course, everyone would try to stop you believing something which the rest of the world considers wrong. I mean, they might not be shills, they might simply be people who think they are right and are puzzled why you would believe in something they consider absolutely wrong. I don't believe that people are paid to post in Eric's forum to discredit him or his theories. People do it naturally! Also, on the Internet people allow themselves to act more psycho than they would in the real world. Some of the "psychos" in reality are quite normal and perhaps would never be so extreme. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 20:33:51 GMT
Eric is particularly paranoid. There isn't anyone in any realm of conspiracy that I have met that is more afraid of disagreement than him. It isn't a flat earth thing. It's just him.
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Post by LIT on Mar 30, 2015 20:46:08 GMT
Eric is particularly paranoid. There isn't anyone in any realm of conspiracy that I have met that is more afraid of disagreement than him. It isn't a flat earth thing. It's just him. There are other people like that too. I used to discuss stuff with some believers in concave Earth, and they also didn't tolerate disagreement very long. Eric reminds me of them a lot. I never understood why they wanted to be 100% right, as if it is a matter of life and death. It shouldn't be a cult after all, should it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 21:35:59 GMT
Eric is particularly paranoid. There isn't anyone in any realm of conspiracy that I have met that is more afraid of disagreement than him. It isn't a flat earth thing. It's just him. There are other people like that too. I used to discuss stuff with some believers in concave Earth, and they also didn't tolerate disagreement very long. Eric reminds me of them a lot. I never understood why they wanted to be 100% right, as if it is a matter of life and death. It shouldn't be a cult after all, should it? Especially on something as unknown and hidden as the reality of the nature of the earth. Since none of us are going up into a rocket anytime soon, then we need to research and keep digging, and not create a cult, as you said. |
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Post by LIT on Mar 30, 2015 22:17:07 GMT
There are other people like that too. I used to discuss stuff with some believers in concave Earth, and they also didn't tolerate disagreement very long. Eric reminds me of them a lot. I never understood why they wanted to be 100% right, as if it is a matter of life and death. It shouldn't be a cult after all, should it? Espelly on something as unknown and hidden as the reality of the nature of the earth. Since none of us are going up into a rocket anytime soon, then we need to research and keep digging, and not create a cult, as you said. Exactly! I don't see the point in repeating the same stuff like some sort of mantra to get ourselves hypnotized that what we're talking about is actually true even though we lack the evidence. Such things as the shape of the Earth shouldn't be believed in, they should be researched. The Earth doesn't care if you believe in its true shape or not  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 2:36:09 GMT
Eric is particularly paranoid. There isn't anyone in any realm of conspiracy that I have met that is more afraid of disagreement than him. It isn't a flat earth thing. It's just him. There are other people like that too. I used to discuss stuff with some believers in concave Earth, and they also didn't tolerate disagreement very long. Eric reminds me of them a lot. I never understood why they wanted to be 100% right, as if it is a matter of life and death. It shouldn't be a cult after all, should it? RIGHT the "concave" brigade are very much like Eric and his crew. Steve brings out some info BUT ALONG with it he claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 6:46:06 GMT
I was hoping for an opportunity like this, Lion, to say my opinion about this. Despite the fact that I was extremely offended for how I was treated, for having been banned and labelled a "shill" after one month of helping out the forum (just as the others here), due to the fact that I was defending minorities (Jews and Mark Sargent: think about it, what if he is not a shill, does anyone deserve this lynching?), I would not go as far as hypothesizing that they are shills. In fact... they seem in good faith to me, both the administrator and his two biggest fans, who attacked us so heavily (lizard and George Harrison). They seem blinded by their good faith. Also, as a member here, I would welcome anyone who holds any opinion, including historical revisionism and that Jesus did not exist, as long as: 1) they really believe in it 2) they respect other people's opinions 3) they don't joke around the whole time In all these boards I have come across, this is instead what happened: 1) theflatearthsociety.org: score 0 out of 3 they did not believe in flat earth, they didn't respect others believing in it, they were joking all the time 2) tfes.org: score 2 out of 3 they believed in flat earth, they respected opinions of others, but they were joking all the time 3) ifers.boards.net: score 2 out of 3 they believed in flat earth (and all the other things they say), they are VERY serious about their opinions, but they do NOT respect other people's opinions I think we have all three qualities. In my opinion, if we stand by these 3 principles, we will be a forum with a valid reason to exist. What do you think of this analysis? Feel free to disagree. I know how upset you feel right now and might be tempted to think they are all in bad faith... and even possessed by demons. I have wondered about it before, too. Right now we are 7 people... how are we going to grow and keep existing if we are not better than them? I think the optimal attitude is that we should welcome here even the very people who have banned us from there, and try to teach them these values. Think about the strength of a place where all people are willing to help one another and not put anyone down. (Except of course if someone comes with the objective of harassing others, and then he should be banned). |
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Post by gioknows on Mar 31, 2015 14:26:29 GMT
I investigated the concave Earth theory (because you never know until you know) and what has been said in this link so far is bang on. My interest in it disappeared because of guys like "Lord" Stephen Christ (who may have gone back to his real name Steven Joseph Christopher)...I mean, c'mon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 14:43:20 GMT
I was hoping for an opportunity like this, Lion, to say my opinion about this. Despite the fact that I was extremely offended for how I was treated, for having been banned and labelled a "shill" after one month of helping out the forum (just as the others here), due to the fact that I was defending minorities (Jews and Mark Sargent: think about it, what if he is not a shill, does anyone deserve this lynching?), I would not go as far as hypothesizing that they are shills. In fact... they seem in good faith to me, both the administrator and his two biggest fans, who attacked us so heavily (lizard and George Harrison). They seem blinded by their good faith. Also, as a member here, I would welcome anyone who holds any opinion, including historical revisionism and that Jesus did not exist, as long as: 1) they really believe in it 2) they respect other people's opinions 3) they don't joke around the whole time In all these boards I have come across, this is instead what happened: 1) theflatearthsociety.org: score 0 out of 3 they did not believe in flat earth, they didn't respect others believing in it, they were joking all the time 2) tfes.org: score 2 out of 3 they believed in flat earth, they respected opinions of others, but they were joking all the time 3) ifers.boards.net: score 2 out of 3 they believed in flat earth (and all the other things they say), they are VERY serious about their opinions, but they do NOT respect other people's opinions I think we have all three qualities. In my opinion, if we stand by these 3 principles, we will be a forum with a valid reason to exist. What do you think of this analysis? Feel free to disagree. I know how upset you feel right now and might be tempted to think they are all in bad faith... and even possessed by demons. I have wondered about it before, too. Right now we are 7 people... how are we going to grow and keep existing if we are not better than them? I think the optimal attitude is that we should welcome here even the very people who have banned us from there, and try to teach them these values. Think about the strength of a place where all people are willing to help one another and not put anyone down. (Except of course if someone comes with the objective of harassing others, and then he should be banned). Acenci, you are spot on! |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 2:08:19 GMT
I investigated the concave Earth theory (because you never know until you know) and what has been said in this link so far is bang on. My interest in it disappeared because of guys like "Lord" Stephen Christ (who may have gone back to his real name Steven Joseph Christopher)...I mean, c'mon. I started with the Concave Earth with a german background: autarkes-rattelsdorf.blogspot.de/2012/03/gesamtuberblick-innenweltkosmoshohlwelt.htmlLord Steven Christ is not the father of the Concave Earth. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 3:42:45 GMT
I investigated the concave Earth theory (because you never know until you know) and what has been said in this link so far is bang on. My interest in it disappeared because of guys like "Lord" Stephen Christ (who may have gone back to his real name Steven Joseph Christopher)...I mean, c'mon. I started with the Concave Earth with a german background: autarkes-rattelsdorf.blogspot.de/2012/03/gesamtuberblick-innenweltkosmoshohlwelt.htmlLord Steven Christ is not the father of the Concave Earth. No, he is not, but because of his "crazy" it got more "noticed" |
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Post by gioknows on Apr 1, 2015 15:23:22 GMT
I investigated the concave Earth theory (because you never know until you know) and what has been said in this link so far is bang on. My interest in it disappeared because of guys like "Lord" Stephen Christ (who may have gone back to his real name Steven Joseph Christopher)...I mean, c'mon. I started with the Concave Earth with a german background: autarkes-rattelsdorf.blogspot.de/2012/03/gesamtuberblick-innenweltkosmoshohlwelt.htmlLord Steven Christ is not the father of the Concave Earth. No he isn't. But it was the first (I think) that I had heard of it. I think his facebook page became popular for a while and it might have goon to his head. I've since moved on from that theory anyway. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 15:30:29 GMT
May I ask why? I left because the old model lives on in his Concave World.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 13:53:32 GMT
Well, here is my conclusion on all these people.
Matt Boylan - wants to take the Flat Earth and turn it into the Universe as most know it today in the Globe model...only make it flat
Eric Dubay - Does have some good points but he dials in the crazy with you must hate jews and Christ, not realizing, or purposefully being ignorant to the fact, that the zionists are not the Jewish people.
Mark Sargent - He is the shill to make the other shills look legit.
Steven Christopher - This hypothesis was first conceptualised in the Cellular Cosmogony of Cyrus R Teed, founder of the Koreshan Religion/Society established in 1886. Concave earth theory is based on Alchemy. And his theory ultimately presents the same problems as the convex earth.
What is being HIDDEN is the TRUTH of the Bible...and that is the end of the story.
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Post by gioknows on Apr 2, 2015 13:56:15 GMT
I left because of his arrogance, mostly. And I also just don't believe in the concave earth model. It's less plausible then the convex earth model.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:23:51 GMT
Well, this just in...and this is just my opinion, but with the onslaught of the Mark Sargent videos, MAtt Boylan releasing two new vids and of course Dubay's videos on Flat Earth...it looks like "they" told Stevie Christopher to take a break for a while. Here he is:
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Post by zero11s on Apr 2, 2015 17:27:20 GMT
LSC said (last year) May 2015 the ice falls down and we should take shelter in australia. Only 1 Month (can´t remember the correct date).
2012 Syndrom.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 17:30:07 GMT
LSC said (last year) May 2015 the ice falls down and we should take shelter in australia. Only 1 Month (can´t remember the correct date). 2012 Syndrom. HEY, we better get MOVING!!!   |
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Post by hollidaytech on Apr 4, 2015 20:21:51 GMT
Acenci i guess I am a psycho by the terms you mentioned but I am ok with it. I am not that proficient at using forums. is it necessary to copy/quote when replying. Hopefully I will get the hang of it. Thanks for the invite.
lion i agree with you that the globe lie hides the truth about the bible. But I don't know of most of thos people you mention except Eric and Mark. I agree about Eric but think Mark is ok it's his videos that started me to question the globe as being a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 20:55:44 GMT
Thanks for joining us, hollidaytech. Yes, I am a psycho, too, more or less. Regarding the posts, to notify people that you're telling them something, add a "@" to their name and they will be notified that you mentioned them ("tagged" them) in a post. The "@" you add to the name, will cause the name to turn into a link to the user's profile page, as soon as you save your post. |
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Post by TinfoilHatGirl on Apr 6, 2015 21:40:23 GMT
Hey folks, I guess there will be some more people coming to your forum here thanks to mr Eric-know-it-all-Dubay.
Because of his video "exposing Mark Sargent the raging shill" I went on a small visit to his forum and it took me 10 minutes to realize what a fascist style of administration he is applying there.
I scrolled further and found the topic where I read that those you dared to defend Sargent as he should have the benefit of the doubt ended up being banned, haha. Oh my, yes a very sincere truth seeker he is. Discussion yes, but only in the dimensions and frontiers he put up by his own beliefs of what is true and what is false. Dont you dare to accidently step over these unwritten lines.
I will go on investigating FET but I surely feel no need to register to Dubays forum, no thanx...
The sad thing is if I had to choose who is harming the FET community at the moment, Sargent or Dubay, the answer is clearly: the latter.
Actually for me there is no harm from Sargent at all (at least for the time being). For me it is very clear where he goes into the realm of his own speculation about the details of how the earth sun moon stars system works. He doesnt need to announce he is speculating. For me it is clear from the flow of discussion and I dont feel that these ideas are terminal, neither for him nor for me as a listener. It is just his opinion for the time being as no one of us has the means to find out about the ultimate truth. And I guess no one will have these means in the foreseeable future. We can only hope that awareness rises so high that humanity groups together and demands the veil to be taken away and I hope we will at least still be there to witness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 21:53:21 GMT
Hey folks, I guess there will be some more people coming to your forum here thanks to mr Eric-know-it-all-Dubay. Because of his video "exposing Mark Sargent the raging shill" I went on a small visit to his forum and it took me 10 minutes to realize what a fascist style of administration he is applying there. I scrolled further and found the topic where I read that those you dared to defend Sargent as he should have the benefit of the doubt ended up being banned, haha. Oh my, yes a very sincere truth seeker he is. Discussion yes, but only in the dimensions and frontiers he put up by his own beliefs of what is true and what is false. Dont you dare to accidently step over these unwritten lines. I will go on investigating FET but I surely feel no need to register to Dubays forum, no thanx... The sad thing is if I had to choose who is harming the FET community at the moment, Sargent or Dubay, the answer is clearly: the latter. Actually for me there is no harm from Sargent at all (at least for the time being). For me it is very clear where he goes into the realm of his own speculation about the details of how the earth sun moon stars system works. He doesnt need to announce he is speculating. For me it is clear from the flow of discussion and I dont feel that these ideas are terminal, neither for him nor for me as a listener. It is just his opinion for the time being as no one of us has the means to find out about the ultimate truth. And I guess no one will have these means in the foreseeable future. We can only hope that awareness rises so high that humanity groups together and demands the veil to be taken away and I hope we will at least still be there to witness. Welcome, TinfoilHatGirl! You are absolutely right that Eric Dubay is doing the true damage to the flat earth research. Please feel welcome to jump right in and enjoy. We're very easy-going. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 14:10:11 GMT
Yes, TinfoilHatGirl, please join us. You were lucky to not go through the trauma we experienced. Some of us have spent one month advertising his forum, and we wrote hundreds of thoroughly thought out posts. Then suddenly we were banned and defamed as "shills". Imagine how we felt. The only good thing is that we were banned all at the same time, so it hurt a little less (maybe he did it for this reason).
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 9, 2015 15:54:40 GMT
My question is: If any of this guys realize something is wrong about some aspects of their flat earth model, or conspiracy theorys or spiritual beliefs, will they apologize, and change their teachings? Are they capable of REPENTACE? because if not, they are just going down the psycho-way... And you, brothas? Well, I am.
I'm afraid Eric beggining to get famous on this subject, can fall a victim to this "fear of admiting error" psycho atitude... in order words trapped by his Ego/image's status, he will mantain and follow blindy the same ideology till the end, even when he notices something is wrong with it...
I hope is not the case.
Because the soul that becomes famous, can be very tempted...
You know... When someone speaks against the rulers, life is at risk, and so the "fear" become to be more present...
leading one PARANOID
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 17:10:37 GMT
Yes, I agree. That is why we left the Dubay cult, or rather, that is why we were kicked out from his forum: because we were not ready to follow a leader wherever he went and still had some freethinking alive in us.
Actually, I am not saying that all the others are "following" him (for example lizard and George Harrison). Statistically he will always find people who agree with him on everything he says. But that is precisely why he has about 3 fans right now on that forum. It might not be even a cult, but a group of people who agree on everything.
By the way, a good thing for our collective reasoning here is that we are all unknown here. In fact no one is known by his real last name (mine is made up, too). And this, too, adds some freedom of thought. For example, at the office I cannot talk about flat earth.
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