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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:53:16 GMT
In my YouTube research I came across a few interesting debunkers of flat earth, whose videos I will be posting here. Because even for flat earthers, as LIT has just pointed out in another thread, we must avoid our tendency to go from blindly believing in ball-earth to blindly believing in flat-earth, without checking all the details. As I add more debunkers and skeptics to this thread, I will list their YouTube channels right here, on this first post, in alphabetical order, as a useful database: agarthas888ChaldeanCauldronDavid RidlendjhardcoretruthJoseph WinthropLord Steven ChristMahrai ZillerMrDeegeezyThe Alien Fossil ProjectThomas SheridanI will start with the following documentary, which is the best one I have seen so far: Flat Earth & NASA Hoax Debunk SLAMDUNK - YouTubeThis documentary seems to me to be the kind of objections we need, raised by this skeptic and conspiracy theory debunker, David Ridlen: www.youtube.com/user/Xurgonic/videosI spent a month on the Flat Earth Society forum and, from all users put together (mostly round earthers and shills), I did not see this amount of evidence, put forth, very respectfully, by David Ridlen, in just 15 minutes. I cannot reply to half of his objections. It is a must-watch video for every flat earther. For the record I am still a flat earther, but I would not have resisted his objections, if I had not verified my curvature formula thoroughly and how it does not match reality. I have much more evidence telling me that the earth is flat, and I have my own personal tried and tested proof (curvature formula vs. horizon facts), BUT the objections this documentary raises are excellent, and I cannot answer half of them. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 16:57:29 GMT
That guy is a joke, he uses already disproven lies and puts them together not to forget crap like "Mooncraters" presented as evidence. If he is lying he is lying on everything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:58:31 GMT
Yeah, he is a joke. He also tries to tell you that "CGI wasn't advanced enough to do what they did". Government and military never give you the level of technology that they have. So all of his arguments fall apart.
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 17:02:43 GMT
What did they without CGI? because I don´t think that the government has advanced technology and they just want us to believe that. They have patents yes but not real stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:04:10 GMT
Well, that's reassuring, thanks. Because that is the best I could find. One day I will ask you to debunk all the details he mentions. I was quite impressed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 17:05:02 GMT
What did they without CGI? because I don´t think that the government has advanced technology and they just want us to believe that. They have patents yes but not real stuff. The guy was maintaining that CGI wasn't good enough in the past to fake "outer space", so the pictures must be real. That was the idea. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 1, 2015 17:12:10 GMT
What did they without CGI? because I don´t think that the government has advanced technology and they just want us to believe that. They have patents yes but not real stuff. The guy was maintaining that CGI wasn't good enough in the past to fake "outer space", so the pictures must be real. That was the idea. I use the words of Max Malone here "it is too easy" CGI = faking stuff  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 18:18:16 GMT
The Alien Fossil Project, great channel, but unfortunately a flat earth denier: www.youtube.com/user/humanswin/videosWho Is Really Behind "Flat Earth" Disinfo?"Flat Earthers" - The Last Generation$100,000 "Flat Earth" Challenge! |
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Post by LIT on Apr 2, 2015 7:35:13 GMT
What did they without CGI? because I don´t think that the government has advanced technology and they just want us to believe that. They have patents yes but not real stuff. The guy was maintaining that CGI wasn't good enough in the past to fake "outer space", so the pictures must be real. That was the idea. Regarding the footage and the images from outer space, I also think it is mostly cartoons and CGI. The so-called serious debunkers are quite naive to believe all the images are genuine. They also don't have any solid evidence, apart from their complete trust in NASA and in the current model. Sometimes their logic escapes me completely. In fact, even the Antarctic expeditions could be fake, even though I tend to believe people go at least somewhere far away which could be Antarctica as well. Perhaps, that is the key. They might actually go to a frozen land or a big island, and since they are taken there by plane, they could be easily fooled. Those who crossed the continent on foot could easily be lying, especially if they did it alone. If they are not lying, it still doesn't prove the land they crossed is the same land we're referring to as the ice wall. Antarctica might be a bunch of islands close to the ice wall. I agree that the whole bureaucracy regarding going to Antarctica is suspicious. It should be open to anyone who wants to go there and no red tape should be required! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 0:13:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 4:57:27 GMT
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Post by LIT on Apr 11, 2015 22:34:28 GMT
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Post by lordstevenchrist on Apr 12, 2015 8:32:29 GMT
lordstevenchristNothing is deleted. I opened a category Concave Earth, and everything strictly related to it has been moved there. Welcome aboard. oh, but you've broken the flow of communication, and it's disingenuous to allow ones to think i have not rebutted their aspersions. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 12, 2015 8:42:51 GMT
lordstevenchristYeah, I am sorry about it. I think I fixed it now? Could you please check back in the Concave Earth thread? I moved there the other comments from those who objected too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 13:21:25 GMT
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Post by LIT on Apr 12, 2015 13:28:07 GMT
The problem is that the posts are listed in order based on the timestamp. The post you want to move up was written later, so that is why it is below. Also, I can't do it as there is no such an option or I can't find it  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 13:40:10 GMT
Hmm, I see... Thanks for trying, LIT. Sooner or later I will start a test board, so I can study these options. I used to work as a webdesigner, so I might be able to find more options than regular users. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 23:01:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 21:18:16 GMT
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Post by LIT on Apr 15, 2015 16:47:26 GMT
flat earth truthWhat do you think about the video where they "expose" Matt Boylan? Did he really say that? It is strange to me that he used to say he is a former NASA employee. That sounded like a joke to begin with, then we should also remember that he is a comedian. Can we be certain he is not joking and he believes the Earth is flat?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 16:58:09 GMT
flat earth truthWhat do you think about the video where they "expose" Matt Boylan? Did he really say that? It is strange to me that he used to say he is a former NASA employee. That sounded like a joke to begin with, then we should also remember that he is a comedian. Can we be certain he is not joking and he believes the Earth is flat? If you both don't mind me jumping in, Matt Boylan said that he turned the flat earth exposure towards his comedy routine for two reasons: 1) This is going back like 5 or 6 years ago, and nobody was talking about a flat earth, so he was very alone, and to have an "entryway" to talking about the topic, comedy seemed like a good method to talk about the "impossible topic". 2) He also feared for his life, that perhaps they would try to kill him, so if he put himself in front of audiences and people go to know his name and appearances, then being "suicided" or something like that, could be prevented. I believe he is legitimate. That is just my opinion. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 15, 2015 17:22:52 GMT
@jess I was talking about the video flat earth truth posted where they "expose" him. In that video Matt admits he likes to confuse people. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 17:39:20 GMT
@jess I was talking about the video flat earth truth posted where they "expose" him. In that video Matt admits he likes to confuse people. That may be so, but people's personalities get in the way like that all the time. |
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Post by jayjay on Apr 15, 2015 18:17:54 GMT
I haven't seen the video your talking about, but that's not very damning evidence when half of his act is trying to confuse the crowd into thinking that his paintings are photos. He obviously likes to do that.
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Post by LIT on Apr 15, 2015 19:44:33 GMT
I haven't seen the video your talking about, but that's not very damning evidence when half of his act is trying to confuse the crowd into thinking that his paintings are photos. He obviously likes to do that. The question is whether he really believes the Earth is flat or is just playing with the people watching his videos. Anyway, it seems to me that since Eric and Mark Sargent appeared on the horizon Youtube got flooded with Flat Earth debunking videos. Doesn't this suggest that they are not doing a good job at convincing people the Earth is flat? In my opinion, half of their arguments are wrong. I am not saying the Earth is not flat, but in my view the arguments they give actually discredit the idea. They shouldn't use them if they are flawed. My words are well evidenced by the reaction of random people who start posting debunking videos which actually are quite convincing that Eric and Mark didn't do their homework. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 19:53:48 GMT
I haven't seen the video your talking about, but that's not very damning evidence when half of his act is trying to confuse the crowd into thinking that his paintings are photos. He obviously likes to do that. The question is whether he really believes the Earth is flat or is just playing with the people watching his videos. Anyway, it seems to me that since Eric and Mark Sargent appeared on the horizon Youtube got flooded with Flat Earth debunking videos. Doesn't this suggest that they are not doing a good job at convincing people the Earth is flat? In my opinion, half of their arguments are wrong. I am not saying the Earth is not flat, but in my view the arguments they give actually discredit the idea. They shouldn't use them if they are flawed. My words are well evidenced by the reaction of random people who start posting debunking videos which actually are quite convincing that Eric and Mark didn't do their homework. I think a lot of their evidence is accurate, compelling, and honestly, proof of the flat earth. And the number of "debunkers" coming out of the woodwork, may also be indicating that the earth really is flat, and was the whole time, but since nobody really believed it before recently, there was nobody to "debunk". Resources were spent elsewhere. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 15, 2015 20:01:30 GMT
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My point is that the evidence is not good at all. I am sorry to say that, but if the proofs were good the debunkers won't be able to respond in a meaningful way. But they do. I personally feel that this whole thing is a "psy-op" to discourage people from researching flat Earth.It is intended to make the idea look dumb. Make few people the "knowledgeable" leaders of an alternative community, then the gurus start talking obvious fallacies which obviously only discredit the idea, so later no one takes it seriously. Only the strongest believers remain while the rest are convinced it is wrong and don't bother researching any longer. That is my opinion at least. But that is how I feel when I watch Mark's or Eric's videos. There must be more convincing arguments, but for some reason they only show the weakest in their videos.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 21:05:30 GMT
@jess My point is that the evidence is not good at all. I am sorry to say that, but if the proofs were good the debunkers won't be able to respond in a meaningful way. But they do. I personally feel that this whole thing is a "psy-op" to discourage people from researching flat Earth.It is intended to make the idea look dumb. Make few people the "knowledgeable" leaders of an alternative community, then the gurus start talking obvious fallacies which obviously only discredit the idea, so later no one takes it seriously. Only the strongest believers remain while the rest are convinced it is wrong and don't bother researching any longer. That is my opinion at least. But that is how I feel when I watch Mark's or Eric's videos. There must be more convincing arguments, but for some reason they only show the weakest in their videos. Well I think their proofs are excellent. And the debunkers are bunk. To me, Mark uses convincing arguments. I would have said the same about Eric, until he showed himself to be a racist and paranoid goof. That doesn't change what the nature of the earth is. It only means that maybe he is an agent. |
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Post by zero11s on Apr 15, 2015 21:42:40 GMT
what a nice and authentic fellow |
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Post by jayjay on Apr 15, 2015 22:41:23 GMT
Only watched a couple videos on the list and they are a joke. They offer no insight and only debunk with ridicule. I explained my view on Boylan already, but he took a few words and played them over and over with spooky music. That's not debunking. Also if you can't tell the ISS video is fake, simply look at the pony tail on the girl on the right. It's caked with egg or something to get it to point straight back. Now look at the long hair flip and flop on the plane video, the way it should in zero gravity. The other videos are not worth my time as this guy in my eyes has already discredited himself as an illogical fool. But thanks for trying.
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