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Post by preciousjewel on May 4, 2015 3:58:57 GMT
sorry but water curves concavely as shown with the Naples Beach Rectilineator and lasers. Though the speed of reply is indicative of a canned response. I have to ask; misinformation agent? Or do you really believe fluids do anything but settle in a flat/horizontal state? My example above gives evidence of the truth that any body of water, anywhere on the Earth, is neither concave or convex. Glass, tub, pool, pond, lake, sea, ocean; all fluids settle flat/level/horizontal. Fact. ☆★☆★☆★☆Welcome Markwilson★☆★☆★☆★ That one mainly got me believing we are being fed lies! If there's a curve on a pool of water, then water will flow over and down it. Period. No, ifs or buts... that isn't happening ever.
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Post by preciousjewel on May 4, 2015 4:11:15 GMT
Well,luckily you have clue of why you have been kicked i have no idea whatsoever why Eric dubay the master kicked me. Probably you asked him a question, or didn't start your post with "I agree with everything you said...". Lol.... so true! Or maybe you aren't antisemitic enough? Anyways, don't feel bad, you have company here.
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Post by markwilson on May 4, 2015 21:04:06 GMT
Though the speed of reply is indicative of a canned response. I have to ask; misinformation agent? Or do you really believe fluids do anything but settle in a flat/horizontal state? My example above gives evidence of the truth that any body of water, anywhere on the Earth, is neither concave or convex. Glass, tub, pool, pond, lake, sea, ocean; all fluids settle flat/level/horizontal. Fact. ☆★☆★☆★☆Welcome Markwilson★☆★☆★☆★ That one mainly got me believing we are being fed lies! If there's a curve on a pool of water, then water will flow over and down it. Period. No, ifs or buts... that isn't happening ever. Thanks for the welcome preciousjewel!
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Post by jayjay on May 5, 2015 13:26:43 GMT
If you are trying to state as a fact that water doesn't curve, you are simply wrong. Water has a concave curvature that changes depending on its container. It's called a meniscus. A concave meniscus is a sharper curve in a test tube than a beaker. It is attributed to surface tension. You can therefore not truly rely on the rectilineator to prove a curve on earth because, although it may show a real curve in the water, the curve may simply be caused by surface tension in a very big container. Mercury on the other hand has a convex curvature, so if the oceans were filled with mercury, then the rectilineator might show a convex planet. I'm not sure if steve has ever argued against this in his theory. I would be interested to hear his take. Plum bobs are a different story. The mine shaft experiment is one that I have not looked into in depth, but it would be interesting to know if there is a measurable convergence or divergence over a long distance.
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Post by steve on May 5, 2015 13:40:02 GMT
If you are trying to state as a fact that water doesn't curve, you are simply wrong. Water has a concave curvature that changes depending on its container. It's called a meniscus. A concave meniscus is a sharper curve in a test tube than a beaker. It is attributed to surface tension. You can therefore not truly rely on the rectilineator to prove a curve on earth because, although it may show a real curve in the water, the curve may simply be caused by surface tension in a very big container. Mercury on the other hand has a convex curvature, so if the oceans were filled with mercury, then the rectilineator might show a convex planet. I'm not sure if steve has ever argued against this in his theory. I would be interested to hear his take. Plum bobs are a different story. The mine shaft experiment is one that I have not looked into in depth, but it would be interesting to know if there is a measurable convergence or divergence over a long distance. to state that the rectilineaotor measured a minuscus is declaring how ignorant you are to the test. it went along the side, not into the water. take time and watch the precision carried out...
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Post by jayjay on May 5, 2015 13:45:54 GMT
Will do steve. I promise you I am not ignorant. If the proven curvature of water was taken into account in this experiment, then I will stand corrected.
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Post by steve on May 5, 2015 14:55:53 GMT
Will do steve. I promise you I am not ignorant. If the proven curvature of water was taken into account in this experiment, then I will stand corrected. again a meniscus would only be apparent if the test went into the water (supposing there is a meniscus in oceans, which i doubt that there are anyway), but the experiment went alongside the water, similar to going along the rim of a container, not into the middle of the container.
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Post by jayjay on May 5, 2015 15:30:02 GMT
I have no doubt of the preciseness of the leveling and the measured curve. My reluctance comes from the assumption that the plane of water is always level to the Earth. This does in fact depend on the water's containment and the water's attraction to the sides of that containment. Certain containers of water will show a flat meniscus and others convex. My questions: Is there an attraction to the shoreline that would cause a curve? If so, should the changing depth and angles of the shoreline be taken into account when performing the experiment? Does the fact that this was done in the Gulf of Mexico cause a different conclusion than if it were done on the open sea side of Florida? I hope you don't see these questions as ignorance. If they are provable non factors I can accept it. I don't think it should be shrugged off with simple doubt or called ignorance. I'm not claiming to prove you wrong, these are just questions that come to mind.
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Post by steve on May 5, 2015 15:43:54 GMT
I have no doubt of the preciseness of the leveling and the measured curve. My reluctance comes from the assumption that the plane of water is always level to the Earth. This does in fact depend on the water's containment and the water's attraction to the sides of that containment. Certain containers of water will show a flat meniscus and others convex. My questions: Is there an attraction to the shoreline that would cause a curve? If so, should the changing depth and angles of the shoreline be taken into account when performing the experiment? Does the fact that this was done in the Gulf of Mexico cause a different conclusion than if it were done on the open sea side of Florida? I hope you don't see these questions as ignorance. If they are provable non factors I can accept it. I don't think it should be shrugged off with simple doubt or called ignorance. I'm not claiming to prove you wrong, these are just questions that come to mind. you're reaching. the results proved an exact 25,000 miles circumference. the curvature measured was only the concave curvature to the earth.
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Post by jayjay on May 5, 2015 16:24:00 GMT
Does and doesn't surprise me that you feel that way. Part of me thought you would have a better answer since you put so much time into the theory. I don't see it as reaching since liquid provably curves and provably is not always level to the earth. But I guess if I want to find answers to my questions, I will be doing so without your help. No hard feelings, a bit of what you say is simple and chuckle at seems more complicated to me. I do enjoy your work.
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Post by steve on May 5, 2015 16:50:03 GMT
Does and doesn't surprise me that you feel that way. Part of me thought you would have a better answer since you put so much time into the theory. I don't see it as reaching since liquid provably curves and provably is not always level to the earth. But I guess if I want to find answers to my questions, I will be doing so without your help. No hard feelings, a bit of what you say is simple and chuckle at seems more complicated to me. I do enjoy your work. eh okie dokie champ, i know you want to put me down because you initially got yourself stuck in a presupposition about the experiment and now are attempting to salvage your initial assessment of it to save face. therefore i don't want to go into great effort to explain to you the obvious flaws in your reasoning. with the intelligence and precision behind the experiment, and with the continued pressure from heliocentric critics watching every single move the Koreshans made, they would have surely brought up a supposed meniscus problem if there ever was one, which there wasn't. so spare me the target of your blame and own up to your faults.
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Post by jayjay on May 5, 2015 17:48:51 GMT
I didn't think it would take great effort to show whether salt water does or does not have an attraction to the shoreline. What's that composed mostly of?...sand? I do own up to my faults. I have not done any experimentation on this and thought you would have. My bad. That's why I asked. Guess your right though. Why should I think that I found something that heliocentric critics didn't think of? I just saw the topic and started looking up properties of water. Looks to me that the intelligence and precision was in making sure they were working with an irrefutable level. I don't refute that. At 11:45 of your video here states that the water plane is always level to earth.
There is no intelligence or precision to that statement. It's assumed as fact. I did a quick google and found that's not necessarily the case. The attraction of water to the inside walls of its container will cause it to curve. If this is a non-factor, then I'm looking for proof. I apologize. But I do stick when something doesn't make sense to me and won't move forward until it does. I think that's the reason why most of us are here. Call me what you will.
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Post by steve on May 5, 2015 18:18:01 GMT
I didn't think it would take great effort to show whether salt water does or does not have an attraction to the shoreline. What's that composed mostly of?...sand? I do own up to my faults. I have not done any experimentation on this and thought you would have. My bad. That's why I asked. Guess your right though. Why should I think that I found something that heliocentric critics didn't think of? I just saw the topic and started looking up properties of water. Looks to me that the intelligence and precision was in making sure they were working with an irrefutable level. I don't refute that. At 11:45 of your video here states that the water plane is always level to earth. There is no intelligence or precision to that statement. It's assumed as fact. I did a quick google and found that's not necessarily the case. The attraction of water to the inside walls of its container will cause it to curve. If this is a non-factor, then I'm looking for proof. I apologize. But I do stick when something doesn't make sense to me and won't move forward until it does. I think that's the reason why most of us are here. Call me what you will. well a short distance it will be level, but as soon as you start erecting an airline over a long distance you will see the concave curvature of the water. hth.
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Post by aliveandkicking on May 5, 2015 18:59:58 GMT
The attraction of water to the inside walls of its container will cause it to curve. The meniscus of water is only about 4 mm and is of no consequence when measuring large distances
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Post by jayjay on May 5, 2015 19:20:36 GMT
The attraction of water to the inside walls of its container will cause it to curve. The meniscus of water is only about 4 mm and is of no consequence when measuring large distances Hey thanks, this was the simple type of answer I was looking for. Where did you find this information?
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Post by jayjay on May 5, 2015 19:26:06 GMT
Never mind I can do this myself.
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