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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 6:53:50 GMT
It seems unfair that you send me each time on a long mission, so you can rest. This time I have to go to Genoa, right? In the meanwhile, why don't you go to Antarctica and shoot a video of the midnight sun there.
Regarding the academics being interested in anomalies, I respectfully disagree. You see, from my point of view they didn't pick up on 911 and the way the towers were brought down supposedly by the airplanes, didn't pick up on JFK's magic bullet, didn't pick up the moon landings and the many anomalies, and my physicist cousin told me "don't worry, the earth's radius that has been used for hundreds of years is just wrong".
I hope reinforcements will come, to help me out. I don't know how long more I can resist your urging me to go on missions around the world to prove flat earth. Please don't send me to Antarctica. That mission has already been assigned to you.
How could my cousin not think of it? He could have told me: "your formula is wrong because the radius of the earth is wrong. The only way to make it work is for you to go and measure it yourself".
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 7:12:12 GMT
It seems unfair that you send me each time on a long mission, so you can rest. This time I have to go to Genoa, right? In the meanwhile, why don't you go to Antarctica and shoot a video of the midnight sun there. Regarding the academics being interested in anomalies, I respectfully disagree. You see, from my point of view they didn't pick up on 911 and the way the towers were brought down supposedly by the airplanes, didn't pick up on JFK's magic bullet, didn't pick up the moon landings and the many anomalies, and my physicist cousin told me "don't worry, the earth's radius that has been used for hundreds of years is just wrong". I hope reinforcements will come, to help me out. I don't know how long more I can resist your urging me to go on missions around the world to prove flat earth. Please don't send me to Antarctica. That mission has already been assigned to you. How could my cousin not think of it? He could have told me: "your formula is wrong because the radius of the earth is wrong. The only way to make it work is for you to go and measure it yourself". I was assuming you were an italian living in Italy. The physics community is not a unified pack of cloned people all thinking identically. 100% for sure if you can find an anomaly in physics some people are going to be excited by that and look at it further. You dont need to go to Antarctica. You just need to go to any body of water with landmarks and observe what you see. Like for example what you can observe from Calais on a clear day where 50M of cliff becomes invisible for no obvious reason. It is clear to me that nobody at the flat earth society is able to provide a flat earth reason for what is observed at Calais or at Toronto or at Chicago, and they all agree they see less of the objects than a flat earth would predict. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 7:33:07 GMT
Yes, I am in Italy, but Genoa is still far. Regarding physicists, you seem to be one. Did you get my private message and/or email?
Regarding TFES, I agree. No one will explain anything, on both sides, not just flat earthers. They just like to hang out there, joking around all day long.
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 7:44:09 GMT
Yes, I am in Italy, but Genoa is still far. Regarding physicists, you seem to be one. Did you get my private message and/or email? Regarding TFES, I agree. No one will explain anything, on both sides, not just flat earthers. They just like to hang out there, joking around all day long. Just watched the video. Quite good! Presumably you live near the Swiss border? But you said this: >>why don't you go to Antarctica and shoot a video of the midnight sun there. I suppose you do realise the day in the northern hemisphere and the day in the southern hemisphere follow the same pattern towards longer nights and shorter days as winter approaches? If that same pattern is followed all the way to New zealand where i used to live for years all the way from the equator why is it going to change if i travel further south than new Zealand?? As for TFES Round earthers like me seem quite happy to spend a great deal of time explaining things according to their way of seeing the world. What motivates you to say otherwise??? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 7:56:41 GMT
Thanks for appreciating the video, despite the fact you don't agree with my conclusions on the subject of the video. No, I am in Rome. If I understood right your point about New Zealand, LIT has found in you an ally on this, too, because he mentions some place in southern America, where days get longer (but no midnight sun) to argue that there must be midnight sun in Antarctica, which most of us disagree with. I say otherwise because I've been on that forum for a month, and I had a different impression. So you are a physicist (or do you prefer not to answer that question)? |
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 7:59:32 GMT
Thanks for appreciating the video, despite the fact you don't agree with my conclusions on the subject of the video. No, I am in Rome. If I understood right your point about New Zealand, LIT has found in you an ally on this, too, because he mentions some place in southern America, where days get longer (but no midnight sun) to argue that there must be midnight sun in Antarctica, which most of us disagree with. I say otherwise because I've been on that forum for a month, and I had a different impression. So you are a physicist (or do you prefer not to answer that question)? There is no place on Earth were the length of the day is constant. In all places in the southern hemisphere the days get shorter after mid summer. It is just a mirror image of the north. Here in the North at 60N we are really racing into longer days now and it will be exactly the same in the South where they will be racing into shorter days. Nearer the equator there is not so much change in day length across the year. The most rapid day change is march and September. Equinox. I have a chemistry degree and have worked mostly in computers and in small house building renovation. I have no connection to physics other than having a chemistry degree and an interest in the natural world and having been a glider pilot while in NZ for many years - where learning about navigation and so forth was part of what we did. Personally speaking when i was say under 35 i knew nothing. Only in later life did i become more humble and begin to learn - something like that anyway and i suppose that is not so unusual. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 8:12:13 GMT
flat earth truthI know that everyone should have their opinion, however, on certain things having a different opinion is pretty much equivalent to being wrong. You don't have midnight Sun in South America or New Zealand because they are not within the Antarctic circle which starts from 66 degrees south. Ushuaia, the southernmost inhabited city in the world lies at 54 degrees south, so you cannot possibly have midnight Sun there. You don't have midnight Sun in Hamburg, Germany, do you? You don't have midnight Sun in Rome either. The days get longer everywhere south of the equator to reach the longest day of the year during the summer solstice. It is not just one place in South America. However, obviously, in the southernmost regions of South America the effect is more pronounced due to the more southern latitude. Since you live in Rome, you can observe the same effect during the summer. The days are getting longer. Rome is not on the equator, so the days on June 22 are longer than 12 hours. Do you see what I mean? In fact, in Rome the longest day on the summer solstice is 15 h 13 m. The same thing occurs south of the equator. The days get gradually longer when you move away from the equator in the summer. Rome is at 41 degrees North. Wellington, New Zealand is at 41 degrees South. There the days are also 15 hours on their respective summer solstice in December.
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 8:21:38 GMT
Kind of ironic that for years i was living in the opposite part of the world, ie Wellington NZ to somebody living in Rome who thinks oppositely to me  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 8:32:37 GMT
Thanks to both for your detailed feedback. LIT, I am not as ignorant as you are thinking, but I don't have a complete understanding of this. Let us postpone it a little longer. It's going to take me too much effort to do this now. I am going to need a dish and an orange and moving it around on the table, and some more experiments. aliveandkicking, thanks for the personal information you shared. It was interesting. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 8:41:00 GMT
flat earth truthI know you're not ignorant. However, I see a lot of people talk about how the midnight Sun is impossible in Antarctica when there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be possible if someone thinks logically. You don't need to go to Antarctica, you just need to see the pattern. They just deny it because then the map turns out to be wrong. Why is it so difficult for people to accept the fact that the UN flat Earth map is a distorted map? I think whoever came up with the idea that the UN flat Earth map is the correct map of the world did that for kicks. They should have used at least a better projection, like the one I posted in another thread where the sizes of the continents are at least correct.
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 9:19:30 GMT
Thanks to both for your detailed feedback. LIT, I am not as ignorant as you are thinking, but I don't have a complete understanding of this. Let us postpone it a little longer. It's going to take me too much effort to do this now. I am going to need a dish and an orange and moving it around on the table, and some more experiments. aliveandkicking, thanks for the personal information you shared. It was interesting. I got your emails thanks - only just looked. One thing you might find interesting to look at is navigation using a sextant. You can measure the angle between the sun and the horizon. Without a Sextant if you live in helsinki or Rome you notice that when you stand facing the sun in summer or winter it appears to rise on the left and sinks on the right. However in New zealand it rises on the right and sinks on the left.I never got used to this so i could instinctively know which way was north or south. However if you were captured and had no sextant and you were sent to somewhere on earth you can instantly know which hemisphere you are in once you see the sun moving across the sky and can position yourself 'facing the sun' |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 9:34:06 GMT
Thanks for this detailed information. I am not yet capable of interpreting it, due to a lack of understanding of what happens in the sky. I still have only a flat earth approach to flat earth (you're not satisfied with that part either, I know).
But I am sure the other users, who know about the sky, will appreciate.
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 23, 2015 13:06:25 GMT
acenci, can you translate this please? Google makes a bit of a mess of whatever it means
Ed e raro che appaia nella bonaccia muta tra l'Ãsole dell'aria migrabonde La corsica dursuta o la capraia
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 14:14:10 GMT
It is an excerpt from a poem by Eugenio Montale, "Casa sul mare", "House on the sea", so it is not completely decipherable to me but I'll try a literal translation where I am not sure of the meaning: nostripensieri.altervista.org/wordpress/?tag=eugenio-montaleOur trip ends on this beach which is tempted by the assiduous and slow ebbs and flows. Nothing reveals, other than lazy mists, the shore, which is full of dips (TN: not completely clear) The gentle breeze: and it is rare that, (TN: not completely clear) in the silent dead calm, among the islands wandering in the air, or "vagabonds of the air" (TN: not completely clear, maybe it means that the islands wander depending on the air) there appears humped Corsica or Capraia. |
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 23, 2015 17:06:53 GMT
It is an excerpt from a poem by Eugenio Montale, "Casa sul mare", "House on the sea", so it is not completely decipherable but I'll try a literal translation where I am not sure of the meaning: nostripensieri.altervista.org/wordpress/?tag=eugenio-montaleOur trip ends on this beach which is tempted by the assiduous and slow ebbs and flows. Nothing reveals, other than lazy mists, the shore, which is full of dips (TN: not completely clear) The gentle breeze: and it is rare that, (TN: not completely clear) in the silent dead calm, among the islands wandering in the air, or "vagabonds of the air" (TN: not completely clear, maybe it means that the islands wander depending on the air) there appears humped Corsica or Capraia. Thanks, so I suppose we can say it is unusual in the silent dead calm that we can find Corsica wandering in the air I also found quite a bit about Corsica seen from France. 1. During cold clear weather and before sunrise we have the best chance of seeing Corsica 2. This time lapse is spectacular for several reasons. "Corsica seen from the continent is a classic cold winter morning phenonema". We also see the suns light lighting the clouds from below during the first moments of sunrise. |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 27, 2015 21:24:06 GMT
"Anyway the biggest problem you have with the observations of for example Chicago is that Chicago is surrounded by hills."
"If the earth is flat those hills would be visible behind between the towers." - LIE
Everything go "down" in the vanishing point. So goes the sun and the hills...
Hey Acenci, this aliveandkicking guy is clever, but read his arguments carefully...
If something with no suficient height is visible beyond the "round earth's horizon" at sea level. It's a great evidence for the earth being a plane.
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 27, 2015 22:38:48 GMT
Check this out!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 22:54:11 GMT
Yes, useful. This is similar:
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 27, 2015 23:48:08 GMT
Some fantastic horizon shots in the 'original' video. Note, as is typical. the waves on the water horizon are only quite nearby waves.
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 29, 2015 14:02:46 GMT
Observe this boat in this video, he seems to be under sea level but it's just a ilusion caused by the waves.  The island I was talking about.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 14:09:21 GMT
members.home.nl/7seas/radcalc.htm They claim to have debunked my video on the lighthouses, which show values much ranges than curvature would allow, so this picture won't cut it, although I know it is good, too. But in this case they could argue that we are only seeing half the mountain. I found the link to the video you mention in the snapshot above this lighthouse picture: Canon PowerShot SX50 HS Zoom Test - YouTube
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Post by LIT on Apr 29, 2015 14:12:39 GMT
Yes, useful. This is similar: But this is an anti-fog capability. It doesn't mean that you can see beyond the visible horizon and retrieve objects which have sunk below it. |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 29, 2015 14:47:07 GMT
The thing is: I don't know these other heights (1) and (2). I believe we are seeing the whole 80 meters of this island+lighthouse. And the others part's are way more little in height.  Anyway I will try to do other experiments with this 24Xzoom-camera... If I had a 200X zoom could bring way better results... Again the waves can play many tricks on us... Optical ilusions The sinking boat:  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 14:50:31 GMT
Oh, then in that case, that is good enough for me. And I know it to be true. I was just saying that they will have objections, because they will say that we might be seeing only part (half) of the mountain, in which case calculations could agree with the earth's curvature. I say this, because I though I'd receive no objections on the lighthouses, whereas I received dozens of posts from people "debunking" it: Flat Earth: Curvature formula vs. lighthouses - YouTube |
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 29, 2015 14:59:12 GMT
The thing is: I don't know these other heights (1) and (2). I believe we are seeing the whole 80 meters of this island+lighthouse. And the others part's are way more little in height. Anyway I will try to do other experiments with this 24Xzoom-camera... If I had a 200X zoom could bring way better results... Again the waves can play many tricks on us... Optical ilusions The sinking boat: The boat is clearly not on the horizon and is just going up and down amongst the waves. What is your point? The island looks sunk below the horizon. |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 29, 2015 15:08:20 GMT
My point is that the waves, cause this "sinking boat" efect on any distant image. It happened to this boat( that's even not in the horizon), and it happens to islands and other distant stuff when we look and zoom in the horizon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2015 15:09:54 GMT
Yes, I agree. And these waves should not be confused with the curvature or ships disappearing on the horizon.
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 29, 2015 15:12:06 GMT
And if you watch the boat video you will notice that he remains "sunk" even when he goes on top of the waves... a very weird and freaky optical effect.
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 29, 2015 15:16:10 GMT
My point is that the waves, cause this "sinking boat" efect on any distant image. It happened to this boat( that's even not in the horizon), and it happens to islands and other distant stuff when we look and zoom in the horizon. your boat is going up and down. If that is the same as any distant image then what is your point please? A boat that is dissapearing below the horizon is not reappearing and dissapearing and going up and down so dramatically - unless there was a huge storm |
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Post by oterraplanero on Apr 29, 2015 15:26:29 GMT
 The boat goes up and down thru the waves. But does a island have movement? And a building, is it floating as the boat to go up and down? |
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