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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 20:18:42 GMT
So, another lie: Satellites. There are no satellites
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 20:21:20 GMT
So, another lie: Satellites. There are no satellites You can easily see satellites moving with the naked eye on a clear night away from city lights. Whatever is moving is called a satellite so satellites do exist. |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 20:41:15 GMT
So, another lie: Satellites. There are no satellites You can easily see satellites moving with the naked eye on a clear night away from city lights. Whatever is moving is called a satellite so satellites do exist. Oh come on...So a 747 flying at 30,000 feet (5.6 miles) is a tiny spec of light, but a satellite at a minimum of 100 miles and much smaller than a 747 can be seen by any "naked-eye? That's not logical. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 20:50:53 GMT
Lion, in case you don't know him yet, let me introduce aliveandkicking to you. He is our only skeptic right now: he does not believe in flat earth. So he is here as a debunker. He is the most thorough and serious and documented debunker I know, so let us welcome him. He does not engage in personal attacks no matter how much he will disagree with you. I appreciate his attitude.
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Post by matt on Apr 13, 2015 20:53:56 GMT
So, another lie: Satellites. There are no satellites You can easily see satellites moving with the naked eye on a clear night away from city lights. Whatever is moving is called a satellite so satellites do exist. This is another one that I find interesting that I do not find enough information on - when do you see satellites - at certain times of the night? Midnight? 2AM? |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 20:56:27 GMT
This video addresses those that think they can see satellites:
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 20:57:12 GMT
You can easily see satellites moving with the naked eye on a clear night away from city lights. Whatever is moving is called a satellite so satellites do exist. This is another one that I find interesting that I do not find enough information on - when do you see satellites - at certain times of the night? Midnight? 2AM? Hi matt! |
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Post by matt on Apr 13, 2015 21:00:42 GMT
This is another one that I find interesting that I do not find enough information on - when do you see satellites - at certain times of the night? Midnight? 2AM? Hi matt! Hello Lion. Happy are the banned...  |
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 22:16:15 GMT
So, another lie: Satellites. There are no satellites You can easily see satellites moving with the naked eye on a clear night away from city lights. Whatever is moving is called a satellite so satellites do exist. So UFO exist too. UFO means unidentified flying object. Sometimes objects that fly are not identified. Therefore UFO are real. However, the definition of a satellite is NOT a dot in the sky which is moving at a fast speed which can be seen with the naked eye. Here is what I found: I guess Lion wants to suggest that the satellites are not machines launched into space. I am sure he doesn't care about the dots which you mentioned. The dots can be anything, and I doubt anyone denies they exist. |
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 22:17:05 GMT
You can easily see satellites moving with the naked eye on a clear night away from city lights. Whatever is moving is called a satellite so satellites do exist. This is another one that I find interesting that I do not find enough information on - when do you see satellites - at certain times of the night? Midnight? 2AM? To see Satellites you need to find a place away from city lights so you have a really good view of the stars. If you have spent your life in the city you might not realise what a good view of the stars is like but i think any country location away from lights will be fine Lie on your back - if it is totally dark the time does not matter - and look at individual stars. Eventually you will notice a star moving amongst the stars and that is your satellite. They move fairly slowly but persistantly across the sky so after a few minutes, perhaps ten minutes they are gone. I have not done this for years so i am unsure of how long they would be visible for once spotted but it is a good amount of time so others can easily see 'your satellite' and follow it with you. Whenever i have done this with other people before they always start of in disbelief they will be able to see a satellite but once you have found one and shown them it and they have followed it they can generally do it themselves This site is saying you have to do it near dusk or dawn but while it is dark. I am not convinced of that myself but it does make sense because without the powerful reflection of the sun there would be nothing to see. I am pretty sure though that the last time i did this was around midnight in new zealand?? Maybe 2230 but not early i think?? www.space.com/6870-spot-satellites.htmlThis site is also talking about near dusk and dawn. It makes sense but still surprises me. |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 22:26:59 GMT
aliveandkicking I do not believe there are any satellites in "space", there is not one video or picture of ANY of these 20,000-30,000 sats in space, look for yourself.
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Post by jayjay on Apr 13, 2015 22:28:21 GMT
I have been to the mountains of Alaska and stared at the night sky for hours. Stars move every 5 to 10 minutes. Some of them disappear and some of them burst into shooting stars. Quite an amazing experience I must say. If you ever have the opportunity, I recommend it. If I hadn't experienced this firsthand I might agree with you, but I think you are seeing shooting stars and not satellites that man has put up there.
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 22:30:00 GMT
LIT, GPS uses older ground based military technology (they have since the beginning), ground based GPS is fast and reliable, with over 2.2 million towers to cover most of the U.S.A. you will never get lost. There are no satellites, (as this device is commonly called), in "space"
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 22:31:59 GMT
I have been to the mountains of Alaska and stared at the night sky for hours. Stars move every 5 to 10 minutes. Some of them disappear and some of them burst into shooting stars. Quite an amazing experience I must say. If you ever have the opportunity, I recommend it. If I hadn't experienced this firsthand I might agree with you, but I think you are seeing shooting stars and not satellites that man has put up there. Definately not shooting stars The first time i heard about this was in the 1960's when our street all went outside to see i think a russian satellite pass over - it was one of those famous ones anyway. I never saw anything but when i visited the USA in the 1970's i was shown how to do it. They just look like a star that is moving amongst the other stars This video shows exactly what the experience is like You cannot simply look up and watch for a moving object. You have to constantly look at different individual stars and then notice that a star is moving and be relaxed about doing that. As i said lie on your back and be comfortable and not think too much about it. |
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 22:36:42 GMT
LIT, GPS uses older ground based military technology (they have since the beginning), ground based GPS is fast and reliable, with over 2.2 million towers to cover most of the U.S.A. you will never get lost. There are no satellites, (as this device is commonly called), in "space" I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just wanted to clarify what satellite means, because aliveandkicking considers every dot in the sky a machine which was launched by men into space or so it seems. GPS can definitely work without satellites. I would like to see how they launch a new satellite into space and then a new dot appears in the sky which can be observed thereafter. It is quite easy to just name a random dot a satellite and then tell people to watch its passing over their city. aliveandkicking are you going to show us photos of satellites from space? Please try your best! |
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 22:40:16 GMT
LIT, GPS uses older ground based military technology (they have since the beginning), ground based GPS is fast and reliable, with over 2.2 million towers to cover most of the U.S.A. you will never get lost. There are no satellites, (as this device is commonly called), in "space" I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just wanted to clarify what satellite means, because aliveandkicking considers every dot in the sky a machine which was launched by men into space or so it seems. GPS can definitely work without satellites. I would like to see how they launch a new satellite into space and then a new dot appears in the sky which can be observed thereafter. It is quite easy to just name a random dot a satellite and then tell people to watch its passing over their city. aliveandkicking are you going to show us photos of satellites from space? Please try your best! I will not be able to show you a photo that i produce myself because all you will see is meaningless dots. A video would be necessary and at the moment i dont have the equipment to do that - i am assuming anyway. The human eye is a fairly remarkeable piece of equipment for seeing things at night. Just added this in case you missed it. That is the experience you get. Just like that. |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 22:44:38 GMT
I think the fact that you just said that a photo would be useless because, "all you will see is meaningless dots" proves our point. I mean and we are not even going into the temperature and all of the details of satellites being in "space". We also know that man has not been higher than around 20 miles up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 22:49:33 GMT
Don't confuse satellites in the sky with... demons. kaseyjosh, a flat earther, describes them as "Electronic Masters of Our Earth/Sky" in his YouTube series. Another good channel is Enalpekaf: Top Fake Plane Videos |
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 22:53:14 GMT
I didn't say anything to the contrary. Just wanted to clarify what satellite means, because aliveandkicking considers every dot in the sky a machine which was launched by men into space or so it seems. GPS can definitely work without satellites. I would like to see how they launch a new satellite into space and then a new dot appears in the sky which can be observed thereafter. It is quite easy to just name a random dot a satellite and then tell people to watch its passing over their city. aliveandkicking are you going to show us photos of satellites from space? Please try your best! I will not be able to show you a photo that i produce myself because all you will see is meaningless dots. A video would be necessary and at the moment i dont have the equipment to do that - i am assuming anyway. The human eye is a fairly remarkeable piece of equipment for seeing things at night. Just added this in case you missed it. That is the experience you get. Just like that. I have seen the dots you're referring to. However, I am wondering why you're so certain the dots are satellites in space. How can you tell 1. if they are in space 2. if they are machines 3. in case of the ISS, if they are manned. |
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Post by jayjay on Apr 13, 2015 22:54:32 GMT
That video itself looks like CGI, but that actually is similar to what a shooting star will do. It will then burst and leave a trail or disappear. Not trying to be difficult, but going to need something better. If they know where these satellites are, they should be able to tell us where to look for them so we don't have to try so hard.
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 22:57:52 GMT
I think the fact that you just said that a photo would be useless because, "all you will see is meaningless dots" proves our point. I mean and we are not even going into the temperature and all of the details of satellites being in "space". We also know that man has not been higher than around 20 miles up. Yeah, of course, in space the satellites function perfectly and the temperature is just fine. They are heated by the Sun to extreme temperatures, but that is okay, they can still send data seamlessly. I can only wish the technological devices worked so well on Earth too. |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 23:05:02 GMT
You are right I put an old working satellite cell phone in the oven at only 450 degrees, nothing like the 2500 degrees Fahrenheit that the satellites "shrug off", and the thing started melting and would no longer work. Unbelievable right!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 23:07:31 GMT
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 23:10:08 GMT
That video itself looks like CGI, but that actually is similar to what a shooting star will do. It will then burst and leave a trail or disappear. Not trying to be difficult, but going to need something better. If they know where these satellites are, they should be able to tell us where to look for them so we don't have to try so hard. Provided you can clearly see the stars then seeing whatever these things are is fairly easy. I just went outside here in helsinki. I can see the major stars but cannot see the mass of stars between the major stars so i doubt i would see a 'satellite'. The air is clear though so if it were not so late here at 02am i would be tempted to drive for 30 minutes and report back. I will have a look another night. But i tested my video camera and it is hopeless as it does not have a fixed focus and i can see absolutely nothing with it. And it seems that even if i could video one of these things nobody is going to be so interested in it anyway! |
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 23:12:53 GMT
flat earth truthWhere did you see that I believe in satellites? I was saying exactly the opposite all along.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 23:17:37 GMT
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Post by aliveandkicking on Apr 13, 2015 23:21:06 GMT
I think the fact that you just said that a photo would be useless because, "all you will see is meaningless dots" proves our point. I mean and we are not even going into the temperature and all of the details of satellites being in "space". We also know that man has not been higher than around 20 miles up. Yeah, of course, in space the satellites function perfectly and the temperature is just fine. They are heated by the Sun to extreme temperatures, but that is okay, they can still send data seamlessly. I can only wish the technological devices worked so well on Earth too. The sensitive parts of satellites are claimed to be wrapped with a plastic or mylar gold foil were gold is the most reflective of the metals. So heating is not going to be a problem at all and electronics like the cold  |
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Post by LIT on Apr 13, 2015 23:29:50 GMT
Yeah, of course, in space the satellites function perfectly and the temperature is just fine. They are heated by the Sun to extreme temperatures, but that is okay, they can still send data seamlessly. I can only wish the technological devices worked so well on Earth too. The sensitive parts of satellites are claimed to be wrapped with a plastic or mylar gold foil were gold is the most reflective of the metals. So heating is not going to be a problem at all and electronics like the cold Ugh, yeah, that makes perfect sense. Sure. Why not? How exactly is this box deployed in orbit? They just drop it there and it continues in stable orbit on its own? Also, what is with the suits? Is it contagious? Maybe they are afraid they will contaminate space with microbes! |
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Post by matt on Apr 13, 2015 23:31:12 GMT
I have seen them when I was a teenager and was always looking up in the sky for UFOs. The problem I have now is, besides the claims that there are no real pictures of them (only CGI), seeing them at night makes me wonder. Most of them are supposed to be very small - the size of a car maybe? They are supposed to be up in low-earth orbit, yes? Firstly, how can one see something so small and so far away, and secondly if the sun has been set for a while, where is the light coming from that lights up the satellite in the first place? It seems like too many holes in the pro-satellite theory for me. Even planes are seen because they are sending out a bright light signal. The satellite idea I always took for granted, but now I do not see enough proof - especially when we see them moving late at night. What else could they be, though, because there are lights that move at what seems to be a constant speed. |
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Post by Lion on Apr 13, 2015 23:49:25 GMT
Yeah, of course, in space the satellites function perfectly and the temperature is just fine. They are heated by the Sun to extreme temperatures, but that is okay, they can still send data seamlessly. I can only wish the technological devices worked so well on Earth too. The sensitive parts of satellites are claimed to be wrapped with gold foil were gold is the most reflective of the metals and incredibly light as it can be made to be extremely thin. So heating is not going to be a problem at all and electronics like the cold Seriously...gold foil. You said they wrapped ONLY the sensitive parts in gold foil...The temperature in the Thermosphere, in this layer, can reach 2,500 °C (4,530 °F) during the day. FORTY FIVE HUNDRED DEGREES! Gold's melting point is 1,948°F |
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